(May 16, 2017 at 12:04 pm)SteveII Wrote: [quote pid='1553007' dateline='1494862141']
More bullshit answers to a simple question. Substitute any deity and it makes as much sense. You said in an earlier post how it bothers you when definitions are twisted to suit. But you use the term "best" as if there is an accepted definition that fits your context. There is no evidence of fine tuning or objective moral values, so there is no need for an "explanation" of them. [3]
1. You are just proving my point.
Riight...
2. More definitions for you...
a·pol·o·get·ics
noun
from Greek ἀπολογία, "speaking in defense"
reasoned arguments or writings in justification of something, typically a theory or religious doctrine.
example: "free market apologetics"
Why are you giving me definitions? Did I use the word wrong?
However, it would make sense why your posts are so simplistic--your intention is not to defend your view of the world.
I have nothing to defend. My core argument IS simple - prove your beliefs.
3. No, you cannot substitute any deity into my list.
Mohammad is not compelling.
No other religions has ANYWHERE near the equivalent of the NT.
Haven't heard many followers of Zeus claiming changed lives lately
And the five natural theology arguments could apply to any monotheistic God--oh wait, don't they all believe its the same God? Kind of lets all the air out of your point.
Mohammed was a PROPHET. And it's not really important what you've heard of happening. There is the same amount of evidence for each.
Fine tuning is a fact not in dispute (if you think so, you do not understand the issue at all). The argument is whether chance can account for it.
It certainly seems like there are objective moral values. The only reason to say there is not is because of a presupposition of naturalism--which is question begging.
You're right, it's not in dispute. As evidence for your god, it's laughable. There "seem" to objective moral values? My reason for saying there aren't any is there aren't any, unless they are defined as so vague to be meaningless.
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"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam
