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Subjective Morals and Societal Whims
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RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims
InteresedUser Wrote:There are no Christian pedophiles, but lots of atheist pedophiles. Counting them in prison doesn't change that fact.

Apparently not even facts can change your facts.

InteresedUser Wrote:Understand the point. In atheism all there is is nature. Nature produces pedophilia. Since your world-view of naturalism leads to pedophilia and pedophilia is always wrong then atheism is wrong. Find another faith that is evidentially proven to be true like Christianity.

There isn't anything in atheism except not believing in any gods. There isn't anything in theism except believing at least one is real. There isn't anything else 'in' atheism or theism but that. Christianity is not theism. An Aztec priest and a Hindu call center worker are as theist as you.

Atheism does not entail a world-view of naturalism because the only thing it entails is not believing any god or God is actually real. There are atheists who believe in astrology, ghosts, and/or reincarnation. Atheism is compatible with any world view that does not require believing that a god or God is real. And there is an important distinction between methodological naturalism and metaphysical naturalism; and I think you'll find a lot more western atheists in the former camp than the latter.

Granting that nature produces pedophilia, it does not follow that pedophilia is good. That is called the naturalistic fallacy, that something being natural makes it good. Only moral agents can be moral or immoral, and nature is not a moral agent. If you accept as axiomatic that it's a good idea to take good care of our children to help them become productive and stable adults, because it would be really nice to live in a world where far fewer children are sexually traumatized by adult rapists, then pedophilia being acted upon being bad is an easy conclusion to reach. I don't need a commandment to justify not being a pedophile, not that there is such a commandment.

Atheism is not a faith. Neither is theism. Both are opinions on the topic of whether or not any gods are actually real. They are states of mind: the state of not holding belief in a deity or the state of holding belief in a deity. An atheist can be a methodological naturalist, a non-deistic Buddhist, a cultural Christian, a Unitarian, a communist, a libertarian, a humanist, even a Raellian, and so on. It's no more odd than theists being Christians, Muslims, Hindus, animists, or even irreligious, and so on. Atheists are people who share one opinion on one topic, just like theists. We can differ in every other respect, just like theists.

Maybe you need to watch a greater variety of videos.
I'm not anti-Christian. I'm anti-stupid.
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RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Aroura - May 14, 2017 at 3:42 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Silver - May 14, 2017 at 3:44 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 14, 2017 at 9:11 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Silver - May 19, 2017 at 7:24 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Silver - May 20, 2017 at 6:38 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Amarok - May 14, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 14, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Alex K - May 14, 2017 at 5:39 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Aroura - May 14, 2017 at 8:51 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 15, 2017 at 7:15 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 15, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 15, 2017 at 6:04 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 15, 2017 at 6:29 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Cyberman - May 17, 2017 at 5:36 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Brakeman - May 14, 2017 at 9:26 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Alex K - May 15, 2017 at 2:06 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by chimp3 - May 15, 2017 at 5:38 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Jackalope - May 15, 2017 at 12:22 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Brian37 - May 15, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Brian37 - May 15, 2017 at 12:42 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 16, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Cyberman - May 16, 2017 at 10:14 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Silver - May 16, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Mister Agenda - May 18, 2017 at 11:56 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Angrboda - May 15, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 16, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by brewer - May 16, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Cyberman - May 16, 2017 at 4:49 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Astreja - May 17, 2017 at 12:12 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Astreja - May 17, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Amarok - May 17, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Divinity - May 18, 2017 at 10:25 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 18, 2017 at 10:39 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Divinity - May 18, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by vorlon13 - May 18, 2017 at 12:09 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 18, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by vorlon13 - May 19, 2017 at 1:41 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 19, 2017 at 4:58 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 20, 2017 at 2:46 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 21, 2017 at 5:56 am
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Succubus - May 21, 2017 at 1:28 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Angrboda - May 19, 2017 at 5:25 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Silver - May 19, 2017 at 5:26 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by vorlon13 - May 19, 2017 at 7:50 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 21, 2017 at 1:57 pm
RE: Subjective Morals and Societal Whims - by Zenith - May 21, 2017 at 5:13 pm

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