RE: Christian Teacher writes letter to school newspaper saying "Gays deserve to d...
May 19, 2017 at 8:41 am
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(May 18, 2017 at 12:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: 3. If you think Christianity can be imposed on someone, you simply do not understand the concept at all. To be a Christian, all that is needed is recognizing that Jesus is God and died for your sins, accepting the free gift of salvation, and committing to pursue a relationship with God. How can this be imposed on someone?
I understand that it's imposed on children, warping their minds before they can know the difference. I also know that the rest can mean whatever someone wants it to mean when they want something to be true. I bet christianity would be less popular than Scientology if you took all the unquestioning, brainwashed kids out of the picture.Look at all the christians who disagree with your views of christianity, but claim the same "relationship with god.
(May 18, 2017 at 2:34 pm)Zenith Wrote:(May 18, 2017 at 12:28 pm)SteveII Wrote: 1. You are the one inserting the word "innocent". The Bible does not command Christians to kill anyone, let along those that they disagree with. Your whole comment is describing something that is clearly unchristian, so I don't know what the point is. Your complaint seems to be with people who are wrong--I don't disagree.
Stevell, I'm having the impression you have diverged the discussion from my original topic (Christians who would be capable of joining an ISIS-like organization) to talking about whether Christians are being taught to "kill people they don't agree with". My explanation there was meant to show you that you don't need a verse that says "kill people you don't agree with" in order to have a religious community kill innocent people.
Also, since I see that the same term ("Christian") means different things to me and to you: Know that for me, as for many others in this forum, "Christian" means an adept of either branch of Christianity, whether he is a protestant or a catholic or an orthodox or whatever. To you "Christian" seems to mean "An adept of certain branches(s) of Christianity who believe what I deem critical and are also good people."
I invite you to choose a better term to describe "good Christian" (a person more or less like yourself) and "bad Christian" (an adept of a branch of Christianity who does not believe & live by your standards), something that, when you talk to people, you and they kinda use the same language.
Quote:2. No they are not subjective, there are dozens of passages on each topic. Those people would be wrong. You seem to think that the definition of a Christian is whatever people think it is.
I'm using a definition similar to what (I believe) you are using to describe muslims or jews or hindus: adepts of a particular religion.
Quote:3. If you think Christianity can be imposed on someone, you simply do not understand the concept at all. To be a Christian, all that is needed is recognizing that Jesus is God and died for your sins, accepting the free gift of salvation, and committing to pursue a relationship with God. How can this be imposed on someone?
What about saying "Recognise that Jesus is God and died for your sins, accept the free gift of salvation, and commit to pursue a relationship with God, and be baptised. Otherwise we'll chop your head off." The rest goes with "Fake it till you make it!" And when these forced-converts bear children and send them to Church, then the Church and the society go and teach the kids what to believe, they will have grown in a Christian environment and will wilfully say out loud "I recognise that Jesus is God and died for my sins. I accept the free gift of salvation, and commit to pursue a relationship with God." Simple, isn't it?
Quote:You have yet to provide a passage that that instructs Christians to do anything resembling violence so my comparison to Islam will stand until you do.
If you insist...
Leviticus 20:27: "A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads."
To me this instructs Christians to do something "resembling violence".
But Stevie, when he says "bible", he only means the NT. A bit disingenuous, but par for the christian apologist course.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing." - Samuel Porter Putnam