Anarcho-capitalist libertarianism

[theVOID]

Granted... 'so long as everyone consents and everyone is fully informed' is a regulation.

No, it's really not, it's the difference between criminal and legal activity, A lack of consent is force, a lack of information is fraud - It would be 'regulations' if some government stooge had to approve the contract before hand but in this case the contract would be made and the persons involved would know that if they are fraudulent they can be fined/imprisoned should the other party complain.

Democracy is disgusting because you do not get to pick your 'big brother'. The 'tyranny of the masses' does. And if you are not among them: you are very unlikely to like the eventual reward for being different in a democratic society.

Amen! This fucking democracy can lock me in a little cell because I like getting high after a days work.

And libertarianism has squat diddly to do with anarchy, hon.

Well... Given the definition some forms of anarchy are libertarian, but the way I see it they are sibling ideologies - Either way, it's a little more than diddly squat (or squat on a diddly, your pass-time ).

That's not what I said. I just like it when big brother can help. Like when a government gives health care and other human necessities.

If all you're concerned with is healthcare you're not at odds with most libertarians, we would advocate a system where neither insurance (except catastrophe) nor single-payer are necessary, for instance; You go to the doctor and get treated, they give you an invoice, if you earn lots of money you pay for it yourself, if you earn some money the 'pool' will pay some of it and if you're truly broke the 'pool' will pay for it all.

The 'pool' would be made up of charitable donations and a taxpayer safety net, assuming you can let a hospital pay it's income taxes into the pool you already have a substantial source of returning revenues, considering that people who are taxed less tend to be more charitable you would have larger support from individuals and some taxes can be collected to make up any shortfall.

The real advantage is that rather than everyone being insured for everything which creates a kind of demand-in-advance, pushing up prices, the demand for healthcare is representative of the number of people receiving care at any one time - It also gives people incentive to manage their health more carefully because they will be responsible for more of the costs, rather than passing the burden to everyone else.

You'd also need to get rid of the fucking absurd malpractice laws so genuine mistakes are seen for what they are, replace it with something that punishes gross negligence only - That way the hospitals can make better use of nurses and medical technicians which will also keep prices down. They also need more specified training, something a nurse friend of mine is adamant about, she is working in a respiration ward and says she has used, over her decade in medicine, less than 10% of what she was taught - She could have been qualified in 2 years instead of 4.

Sorry, by Utopia I meant your ideal societal set-up. I understand what you mean, but my major opposition to the libertarian view is the downplay of the governments role on society. In a democracy the society is represented by the government so overall government is what the voter makes it.

In a true democracy your nation would be a totalitarian Christian cesspit, the majority would have voted long ago for a "Christian nation" and if you were in the way of their vision of society they'd step on you like a bug.

With libertarian rules in place the government won't have the chance to be good, but I do acknowledge that with these same rules it is more difficult for government to cause harm.

The Government can't simply "do good" because they don't own anything, in order to do something for somebody they have to take the resources from someone else. Tell me, how likely are you to ever use Obama's fancy "high speed rail" that is costing hundreds of billions so you can get from NY to LA? How many people in your entire nation will use it? Fuck all, and that means that in order to promote a specific ideological agenda your 'collective thug machine' has to coerce people out of their resources via threats of imprisonment, taking their resource to build something that they don't fucking want.

If there was any real demand for high speed rail the government wouldn't have to do anything, if the genuine demand for it is there the markets will act, some capitalists somewhere will take investment from those who voluntarily give it, build a rail station and then charge a fare at a profit to make back the cost of the investment - That hasn't happened and now everyone else not only has to pay to build the fucking thing but everyone else is going to be taxed to subsidise the fares for the minority who will use it for as long as the damn thing is in operation.

My position is that with the correct government in place, one with minimal corruption, programs and laws will be made for the betterment of society. But first we need to have educated voters...

Oh, the "betterment of society" now is it? It was for the "betterment of society" that your president spent trillions of dollars that you didn't have in order to make sure these poor bankers could sleep under silk sheets at night. I'm going to let homeless people live in your lounge, after all, it's "better for society", and you can't own any pets either because the money you spend on your beloved dog could give a child an education! I'm sure that arresting a 20 year old for drinking in a bar is for the "betterment of society" too! Lock me up Zeus, I smoke weed and it's "better for society" if nobody does. The "Betterment of society" is the biggest crock of shit excuse for stepping on one person to benefit others to ever exist, it has no concern at all for the rights of people who are in the way of some agenda, if you stand to loose because it's better for someone else somewhere then either move out of the way or you're going to get trampled by the mob.

If you want to make society better you can do it without fucking people over, give what you don't need, encourage others to do the same, promote desires and values that benefit others, encourage attitudes of thrift and investment rather than consumption and self-gratification.

I was totally stoked when I got a $8500 tax credit to help with my house purchase!

Wow, they cause the single biggest asset bubble that did more harm to more people than any other economic gaff in history by doing pretty much exactly that and they still haven't learned their lesson?

Un fucking believable.

Oh, and by the way Rhizo, welcome to the "People who are out to personally fuck Min" club.