Conservative Atheism

[The Grand Nudger]

Well thanks for tolerating me!

I am curious as to why you would want illegal immigrants allowed into the US, or allow them to stay.

Other than our economy depending on their labor and our government and social services their taxes, and having my life palpably improved by their presence, in this land of the mother of exiles.......I can't think of any reason at all.  

I get compassion, these people have a better life in the US by far.
Is that the only reason?

OFC not, I'm american, I know how to muzzle my compassion and pull the trigger...but I do think compassion ought to get us farther on this issue than it has.

However, there are many who use government services and do not pay taxes.

Yes, there are many americans that do that.  Play with the theme of social parasitism at your own peril..it's not only factually wrong, it's a warning bell.

also no one has any idea about health concerns. With a normal immigration process immunization shots are required.
(I travel overseas for work and the same is required of me)

Which they already have, insomuch as they're checked, since our illegal immigrants come in legally and overstay their visas.

Play with the idea of a diseased mass of undesireables at your own leasure.  Again, wrong, and again..a warning bell.

It is also common for illegal immigrants to be exploited by US companies, they often are paid less than legal immigrants or Americans for the same labor.

Sure is, and it's easy to do, since we made them second class shadow persons.  We should probably do something about that, since we pretend to afford all persons in the us with equal protection under law.

Employers do not have to pay workers comp for labor that is off the books, nor are they paying any health insurance (even if it is offered to other employees)
Granted this is probably a lot better than what they could get at home, but not up to our standards.
I would think you would be against this type of exploitation. (if they came here legally, or if the law was changed this could not happen)

Payroll taxes. Even the exploiters like to try and avoid an audit by paying taxes.

There are illegal immigrants who do pay federal and state taxes.  I think these people should be allowed to legally live in the US and there should be an available path to citizenship.

Don't forget sale taxes, they all pay sale taxes. Too bad, the fuhrers gonna put em in camps and deport em.  In any case, this is a convenient way of saying "poor people out" - not exactly in keeping with the american ideal..eh?

But until the law changes, I think it should be enforced.

Again..we -were- changing those laws, and law enforcement for the sake of law enforcement where there is no reason for law enforcement or the law as it is in the first place has to be the silliest thing I've ever heard.  Do you know how many blue laws we have on the books?  Should we be enforcing those too, or just the ones that say we get to kick out the browns?

I do not see the problem with a secure boarder, and enforced immigration law.
What other countries have open immigration?
Where can I move my family, use social services and pay no taxes?

I'm not aware of any place where you can do that, and we aren't such a country either, so?

I certainly know that you do not wish immigration law to be enforced, but is that only for those currently in the US?
Or would you rather see us have an open border policy?

Personally, an open border...but that's not going to be achievable in this country so long as we have so many fine upstanding not racists™ and for profit prison industry lobbyists making decisions and casting votes.  

Like i said not trying to change your mind, I am legitimately curious as to why.

I briefly spelled out my concerns with the matter, I would like to know yours.

I don't have any concerns with immigration.  I understand that it's a necessary part of our economy, pumps money into our coffers, and improves our very culture.  Immigration has made us very strong. Those immigrants increase our GDP and bring us more than we ever pay them back with the New Cruelty. They even provoide us with the next generation of taxpayers, sorely needed since we natives are below the replacement rate and all of our own social programs (which they don;t get..no matter what loon told you otherwise) are predicate on population growth to function and be funded. Really consider the choice they've made...to be here - under constant threat of losing everything they have -which is very little-, treated like shit by people like yourself who never stop coming up with fucked up reasons to snatch them out of bed in the middle of the night all fed to them by a billion dollar media machine that makes money off promoting misunderstanding and misery...but they go ahead and clean your damned toilet anyway..because they're not a bunch of jacked up assholes worrying about their precious.

I'll be honest with you...I consider every single illegal immigrant I know to be more american than any given anti-immigration american. They're here because they believe in the american dream,...even if we americans know better, and in spite of so many americans actively shitting on that dream. Most of us couldn't get into this country legally -or- illegally. You got 500k laying around..ready to cross a desert? Are you a doctor, a nuclear physicist? Ever seen the test they have to take? How about just surviving abject poverty long enough to win a visa lottery? True motherfuckin grit, imo. I'd take 1 of them over 20 redstate welfare queens bitching about how mexicans stole the jobs they never wanted and didn't do worth a shit anyway.