RE: Atheists, what are your thoughts on us Agnostics?
June 25, 2017 at 6:24 am
(This post was last modified: June 25, 2017 at 6:40 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(June 24, 2017 at 11:30 pm)Whateverist Wrote: Speaking entirely for yourself, I'm quite certain you are correct. You do not speak for at least one other atheist.I'm pointing out that figurative gods are not what is addressed by the term, atheism, itself. Figurative gods, by definition, are not gods. A figurative use of a term explicitly denotes a reading other than the literal one. Figuratively, money is a god to many. That doesn't make them theists, my using that phrase does not make me a theist, and the phrase itself does not make money a god.
Quote:No, I'm quite certain there is something which god belief has been about. It was never about literal gods but it was most certainly about something.Sure. That doesn't leave room for anything but gnostic atheism, however, unless you imagine or at least think that there might be -some- literal god somewhere, maybe, that no one has ever described. That's all that agnostic or gnostic atheism refers to. A belief in or knowledge of literal gods, not a belief in or knowledge of figures of speech, or in some other x -not a god- used as the basis for a god belief or a figure of speech leveraging the term god.
Quote:Since that something wasn't empirical in nature it was something internal, something within the subjective experience of people who believed. I don't think I've said anything surprising. But if you have some reason you think I should agree with you, go ahead and run it by me. Otherwise I guess you're just saying you disagree. Got it.We both agree that god belief is based on something, we both agree that it is not based on a god, we both agree that there are no gods, we both agree that we possess certainty in that regard. You're a gnostic atheist who thinks that god belief is based on something other than a god.
So am I.
The only thing we disagree on, is whether or not you are a gnostic atheist. While you are certainly under no obligation to self identify as one, it does accurately describe your position. You could call yourself a whateverist(lol)..and I would simply take that to be your way of saying "gnostic atheist"....just as we have self identified "agnostics" here who are, accurately, atheists.
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