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Non-existing objects
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RE: Non-existing objects
(June 25, 2017 at 10:01 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 25, 2017 at 9:46 am)KerimF Wrote: You raised an interesting point.
I became a professional designer (in electronics) by experimenting, not by imagining things. In fact, I seldom take for grant what I may read on books, said scientific or else.

It happens that, in my life, the most important Device Under Test is my being. So the various aspects (characteristics) that I have discovered gradually about my being are facts to me. Should they be facts to everyone else? Should I deny them just because they are not facts to many people on earth, if not to all of them?

Even as an engineer in electronics I had the chance to find out, as an MS thesis (about 40 years ago), a solution in signal communication which is claimed non-existing (impossible to exist) in all universities in the world, till these days. I personally used its technic to secure, in the 80's, my private short range RF link (between home and office). Should I deny its existence just because it is a fact that no one is interested to check it seriously?

Although you may not believe me; all what I know is based on reason (scientific reasoning)... not faith.
But I am afraid if someone insists that his being (his Device Under Test) has to have the same characteristics as mine, he would likely think I am just imagining things; the things he cannot perceive personally for example.

What does any of that elaborate tripe have to do with either "born of the flesh" or "will power"?

It sounds to me like you are trying to make an apology to argue that a God exists. Hate to burst your bubble but you are not the first and also not the only religion who tries this.

Nope sorry, you ARE basing it on "faith".

Neutral scientific method does not rely on faith. If a scientist has a hypothesis and solid method to plug their data into, it can be replicated by independent peers in the same field.

You are totally right if we, you and I, are supposed being made of the same nature and looking, therefore, to live, as possible, the same priorities in life that have obviously the same paths to be followed.

Naturally, you likely know your nature much better than I do.

On my side, I couldn't have a stable and balanced life till I discovered all what I liked to know about the end purpose of my existence. This took me about 30 years (besides another 35 years in which I updated continuously the set of my knowledge).

By the way, would you tell me...  I am basing 'what' on faith?!

I guess you already know that too many people around the world tend to believe stories (as being true and real), also based on faith, that are not necessary religious (thanks to the very advanced technologies in editing videos).

(June 25, 2017 at 10:10 am)Brian37 Wrote:
(June 25, 2017 at 10:03 am)Cyberman Wrote: And if not, the errors will be found and corrected by those same peers.

That too.

There are followers of every single religion, Muslims, Jews, Christians, Hindus and Buddhists have individuals, even with degrees, who try to either debunk science, or when they cant do that, try to incorporate their religion into science to falsely try to get it to point to their club. 

The problem for every religion is that scientific method is neutral and does not point to any religion. Far too many humans, like the OP fail to see this. Scientific method is completely independent of religion. It is why a plane will fly in Iran and Mexico and Japan. It is why a flu vaccine will work in Saudi Arabia and France. It is why a computer will work in China and Florida.

Hi Brian,

It seems you are in a hurry to know things about me that I didn't present yet.

It happens that I had the chance to live as an independent rational man since many decades.

So, if someone is a follower in any community, said social, sportive, political or else, I am afraid it would be rather hard for him to imagine how an independent free person could exist, live and work in this world.

By the way, I agree with you about any religion that has certain rules, claimed being of a god, which are imposed on its believers (not on the top representatives of its god since they are above these rules, speaking practically). As you know, all religions you mentioned above have each its god's rules and justice. To me in the least, religions and politics are the two faces of the same penny... by which the masses around the world (men on bottom) could be controlled by some Elite (men on top)... legitimately.
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Messages In This Thread
Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:07 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 7:50 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 25, 2017 at 7:24 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:18 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:32 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 9:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:01 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 10:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:57 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 3:54 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 8:41 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 11:13 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:39 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 11:40 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 12:01 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 8:26 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 8:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Alex K - June 25, 2017 at 8:37 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 10:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 10:10 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 2:05 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 2:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 3:52 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 7:55 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:37 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 7:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Minimalist - June 25, 2017 at 11:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 11:47 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 25, 2017 at 12:32 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 25, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 4:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 6:03 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:36 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 1:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 11:14 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 25, 2017 at 11:46 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 12:35 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 1:29 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:40 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 2:42 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by chimp3 - June 25, 2017 at 2:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 25, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Brian37 - June 25, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 10:04 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:11 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 12:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:59 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 25, 2017 at 12:51 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 25, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 25, 2017 at 9:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 7:09 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by SteelCurtain - June 26, 2017 at 7:27 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 2:04 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 12:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:18 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 3:43 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 12:10 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 26, 2017 at 2:03 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Astonished - June 26, 2017 at 2:07 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Whateverist - June 26, 2017 at 12:57 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by bennyboy - June 26, 2017 at 2:52 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by brewer - June 26, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by Cyberman - June 26, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by ignoramus - June 26, 2017 at 8:47 pm
RE: Non-existing objects - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 2:34 am

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