(June 26, 2017 at 11:00 am)Astonished Wrote:(June 26, 2017 at 10:35 am)SteveII Wrote: 1. Belief that you are being led by God is not the same as being lead by God.
2. The NT was the last complete revelation from God (which includes saying that it is the last complete revelation from God until the end of time). It has everything in it to have judged the actions of burning witches as entirely contrary to the will of God.
3. C.S. Lewis was explaining, not excusing. Failure to understand [2] does not create the problem you think it does.
4. The Holy Spirit does not control what people believe and certainly does not stop people from murder.
1. Your lack of introspection is, like the name says, astonishing.
2. Actually from what I've seen on youtube, presentations by well-informed atheists and books (which cite sources) the Quran makes the same claim of being the final revelation (I guess the Book of Mormon also does, but...ew.) But I can't cite chapter and verse off the top of my head so I'd feel hypocritical asking you to do so when you make such a huge claim about the NT but it's generally the practical thing to do when you're attempting to correct someone who knows more than you.
3. Who gives a flying fuck who said what? The content of the message is the only significant part. Doing otherwise is called religion. If people didn't believe Jeebus was who they think he was, nothing in that book would hold any water.
4. The holy spirit DOES apparently control what people do (poor Pharaoh, suffering through many more plagues because Have It Yahweh wanted to be a bigger dick) but is nevertheless solely responsible for ensuring that any message it wishes to convey to mankind comes through clearly and unmistakably and its failure to do this in any way, shape or form leaves few options other than it does not exist, it does not care what we do or think, or it is a very weak god and unworthy of the sort of devotion it gets.
1. I hesitate to respond because I really don't really care for your version of a discussion, but I will give it a shot...
2. It's really hard to give you verse or two because it is the entire conclusion of the NT that it is the final revelation of God. After 2000 years of promising, God himself, in the person of Jesus, came to earth to pay our penalty in order to bridge the gap back to God so that we can have a relationship with him now and forever. Following the acceptance of the proffered gift, it is complete with instructions on how to conduct oneself. The next thing to expect is the second coming of Jesus. The exclusivity claims and exhaustive nature of the message is present in almost every chapter of the NT.
3. If you want to argue about conclusions of Christian teachings, you have to start with correctly understanding what those teaching are. I don't really care if you believe them or not. NT Christianity could never be construed to burn witches...period.
4. One of the responsibilities of the Holy Spirit is to make sure God's message is conveyed clearly and unmistakably and therefore that is why the NT is complete in it's description of the human condition, remedy for that condition, and guidance on how to conduct ourselves. If one chooses not to read it, who's fault is that?