Iran nuclear program... a "new provocation"

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Iran is a sovereign nation is it not?

True, and like any other sovereign nation, they can always claim the right to slaughter their own citizens, international law not withstanding.

Putting myself in their place; The US ,or any other country tells us we cannot have nuclear weapons because of what we might do with them. My response would be to tell the US and anyone else to go fuck itself.

First off, go fuck yourself.

Now second off, had you paid attention the pre-Bush doctrines, the United States stated clearly that they would only use nuclear weapons in a counterstrike. Foreign policy implications immediately make the United States a target for any power wishing to use nuclear armaments against any other entity. Now, that has changed given the neo-cons, but several decades of foreign policy don't simply evaporate overnight given some new jackasses in the White House.

Thirdly, consider what Iran has done in the last 30 years. Or have you simply lost your mind and forgotten what they did.
REF: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009%E2%80%...n_protests

They have not changed. They show no signs of changing. They are about as trustworthy as Jared Lougher with an automatic weapon and twice as crazy. And any fool stupid enough to argue "sovereign rights" has no business dealing with foreign powers, let alone deserving of the rights to advocate for gun ownership.

This is a matter of trust and sanity. Something that seems strangely out of place on this thread, with morons postulating that it is "only for peaceful means."

Have you forgotten what they did only a year ago? Honestly, I am shocked.

Shocked by the sudden appearance of "forgetting" horrific actions, a forgetting well mocked by us of the theists and their bloody crusades and jihads.

Iran is just dick swinging. Their government is acutely aware that if Iran used even one nuclear weapon on any other country, Iran would not be bombed into the stone age, Iran would cease to exist.

Further bullshit detected. Let's go back to the Iran-Iraq war.

On 21 June 1982 Khomenini proclaimed in a speech that Iran would invade Iraq and would not stop until an Islamic Shia republic was set up in that country.[63] The decision to invade Iraq was taken after much debate within the Iranian government.[73] One fraction comprising Prime Minister Mir-Hossein Mousavi, the Foreign Minister Ali Akbar Velayati, President Ali Khamenei and the Army Chief of Staff General Ali Sayad Shirazi urged that now that all of Iranian soil had been liberated to accept the Iraqi ceasefire offer rather embark upon an invasion that was likely to take a heavy toll on Iran's youth and with uncertain prospects for victory.[73] In particular, General Shirazi was opposed to the invasion of Iraq on logistical grounds and said he was considering resignation if "unqualified people continued to meddle with the conduct of the war".[73] On the other side, there was a hardline fraction led by clerics on the Supreme Defence Council, whose leader was the politically powerful Speaker of the Majlis Akbar Hashemi Rafsanjani who favored continuing the war until the Baath were overthrown.[73] Khomeini sided with the hardliners.[73]

And later on, despite Khomeini stating he would never agree to a ceasefire:

In a radio address, an announcer read out a statement by Khomeini, in which he expressed his deep displeasure and reluctance about accepting the ceasefire by saying:
"Happy are those who have departed through martyrdom. Happy are those who have lost their lives in this convoy of light. Unhappy am I that I still survive and have drunk the poisoned chalice...".

Give them nuclear weapons and they'll sacrifice their youth brigades against even larger, better prepared titans than Iraq. Or have you forgotten the arms superiority the Iraqis enjoyed, until they found out how bloody minded their opposition truly was? Wasting entire battalions of youth and children to clear minefields in a wave of bloody, torn human flesh.

Until the government of Iran changes for the better, it is madness to even trust in their apparent "sincerity".

The US has been looking for an excuse to go to war with Iran for years.An excuse will be found about the time it is finished in Afghanistan..

So you would sell us all down the damned river controlled by neo-cons and religious tyrants alike, just to spite the US's desires for war or the Iranian clerical desire for a holy war?

The US is guilty, yes, of a great many monstrous misdeeds and terror attacks. But it has yet to match close up with the even remotely similar insanity of the Iranian regime.

Furthermore, with respect to Spectrum, your speculation as to their openness is retarded, and here's why: terror and posturing. The Islamic Republic of Iran's dialogue and announcements, starting from the Supreme leader all the way down, have long been studded with statements as to their next move. They make no secret of their actions as they are secure in their power. Look at their history -- their only "defeat" was in failing to take over Iraq, and they've managed to whitewash the Iraq-Iran war in a manner that would make the Chinese government blush.

A country without a smarting defeat is an overconfident one and one that certainly has good reason to believe it can proceed with impunity. Furthermore, have you been under a rock?
REF: http://www.tehrantimes.com/index_View.asp?code=243279

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