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Islam versus Judaism
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RE: Islam versus Judaism
(June 28, 2017 at 11:02 am)Whateverist Wrote:
(June 28, 2017 at 10:32 am)KerimF Wrote: Please note that this thread is not about Mohammad’s and Moses’ gods but about their main rules and teachings which are supposed to be followed by Muslims and Jews respectively.

Therefore, it is as a general knowledge of what I knew about these two religions while being a neutral observer.
I suppose that most atheists here could be rather neutral observers too and help me update what I will say.

On the big picture, Islam is actually an Arabic version of Judaism.

Far from rituals, the essence of Islam’s commandments/teachings/stories coincides with the ones of Judaism.
And the believers in these two religions have to deny most of what Jesus says/teaches (as written on the today’s Gospel). I like adding that even most Christians (mainly their various leaders) around the world have to also ignore (or not to take seriously) many of Jesus teachings under the pretext they are about unpractical ideals or beyond human perception.

[1] As you know, both Muslims and Jews are told that the universe is created by One Supernatural Supreme Ruler of a Heavenly Kingdom; much like a great king on earth who looks to be glorified by his servants while they follow/obey his rules.
 
[2] And, both Muslims and Jews are supposed to fear their god. After all, in every earthly kingdom, followers/servants/slaves should fear the wrath of their powerful king.
 
[3] Also, the famous story of ‘Adam & Eve’ (one of many others) that was addressed, in the first place, to the ‘kids of humanity’ (many centuries ago) has to be accepted on these days, also by both believers, as being real ; even after all discoveries in Biology made by the ‘adults of humanity’.
 
I think, it is better to stop here and hear your views about what I wrote.
Please remember that I am always glad hearing negative comments if serious.
Thank you.

I am not an expert on any of the three Abrahamic religions but it has been my perception that jews more often emphasize living a good life over a future reward in an afterlife.  It seems that you see Islam and Judaism as being the most alike, but I'm not seeing that.

Can you say more about your own religious affiliation, if any?

Thank you for this interesting remark. Me too, I am not expert in Judaism. The few Jewish friends I had before they left for Israel didn't like talking about their religion. I think they have their good reasons. After all, I don't expect any other man to be as free and independent as I am.
  
I also tried learning about the point you mentioned above from Jews I met (as they claimed) on the internet. But again, I couldn't get clear answers.

For instance, what about the notion of 'Hell' as a torture place?
I have the impression that it was known as God's punishment by Jews before Jesus time, do you have any idea?


About my religion, I don't know what name I can call it because it has one member, me Wink
And I don't know if I can refer to it as a religion because what I know, though not about my human living flesh, is based on reason not faith. And even if the entire world is convinced about a certain idea, said scientific and not religious, I may have my good reasons not to add it in my personal set of knowledge.

But truth be said, there is one person who already agreed with me since very long (far past) on all what I discovered about my being and the 'real' world. So, without this person, I would have no choice but seeing myself a weird being who was brought into life by mistake Wink

(June 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Well, Christianity just cribs off of Judaism and adds some more stuff using the Torah as a basis.

And Judaism cribbed off of Zoroastrianism and before that from the Canaanite pantheon.  Throw in some Hellenistic philosophy and some Roman desire for order and you get jesusism. 

It's all a crock.

Anyway, where there are men, one should expect seeing a few of them on top (deceivers, if not worse) and the rest on bottom (followers).

And since a few centuries, it became possible to fool most people around the world in the name of politics and even science instead of a certain deity.

As a result,, as theists are happy with the stories they were made to believe by so-called miracles, most ordinary people are also very happy now while they hear various stories (political and scientific) they were made to believe via their electrical monitors. Therefore, the unhappy ones are those who didn't decide yet to which camp it is better for them to join Wink
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Messages In This Thread
Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 10:32 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by FatAndFaithless - June 28, 2017 at 10:35 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 11:48 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by vorlon13 - June 28, 2017 at 10:36 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 11:02 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 1:09 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 4:15 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Minimalist - June 28, 2017 at 12:28 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by downbeatplumb - June 29, 2017 at 1:31 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 2:00 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Aliza - June 28, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 28, 2017 at 5:15 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Whateverist - June 28, 2017 at 5:35 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by WinterHold - June 28, 2017 at 10:49 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 5:09 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by ignoramus - June 28, 2017 at 11:02 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by WinterHold - June 28, 2017 at 11:33 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Keintucky - June 28, 2017 at 11:25 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - June 29, 2017 at 5:31 am
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 12:43 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by Aliza - June 29, 2017 at 1:04 pm
RE: Islam versus Judaism - by KerimF - June 29, 2017 at 2:06 pm

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