...Truth?

[ManofYesterday]

A person can eat pizza, kill people, or rape in the name of anything. Again, what's your point? Is that it?

Yeah you want to interact with my original point now or are you done?

Sure they can, but your's is directed by divine message. I doubt I'd put much stock in the other motivations either.

OK, copy/paste for your point (I think)

Under atheism, the brain is the product of cold and mindless natural processes and there is no mind driving them. How atheists can believe their brain is reliable for ascertaining truth while also believing the above is mind boggling. Often atheists respond to this charge by saying our brains are good at ascertaining truth because we wouldn't have survived if they weren't. That may sound like a good response at first, but it isn't. False beliefs can increase survivability. Evolution may give me the false belief that the boogeyman is inside every McDonald's Big Mac, causing me to stay away from Big Macs. This would save me from harming my health by eating Big Macs, increasing my survivability, but through the power of a false belief. This is a comedic example, but there are multitudes of other examples you could conjure up that are more serious. Even if evolution alone gave people true beliefs when it came to things like "don't go near that animal or it'll eat you," or "don't touch fire because it harms you," what about more abstract things like mathematics or philosophy? Does being good at math or metaphysics increase or decrease survivability? Probably not or probably by not much. So maybe our mind is good for basic things like "fire is hot" but it isn't good for complex ideas.

However, under something like Christianity, the brain is the product of an omniscient, omnipotent, and all-good immaterial mind. So the Christian has good reason to believe their brains are good at ascertaining truth.

Atheism and evolution have little to do with each other. Your position that the brain is the product of cold and mindless is unfounded, but natural process you got right. Part of that natural process is development of a social animal that is anything but cold and mindless. Your evolution/belief/food analogy is also unfounded. What does evolution have to do with math or philosophy. Math can increase your surviveability. I'm sure other people are applying it in your everyday life and you don't even realize it (designers of cars is an example).

Exactly what complex ideas? 

There was not a whole lot here to rebut.

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So not only are you unable to engage people civilly and rationally, you also seem to hate straight white men. Interesting.

Is this forum like the Mississippi of the atheist community or something? Lmao. Are you guys going to run me out of your community with shotguns and pitchforks? Bahahaha. Looks like you already did it with the other fellow.

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If you don't think that's civil and rational don't put it in your website or tell us about your website. No hate, just quoting you.

Makes me wonder what Cheetos is?

1. "Your position that the brain is the product of cold and mindless is unfounded"

You believe that evolution and the other natural processes that produced your brain are not cold and mindless? Explain. I don't know of any biologist that invokes consciousness and emotion when they explain how evolution works.

2. "Part of that natural process is development of a social animal that is anything but cold and mindless"

Yeah, you seem to not understand the point I made, despite it being crystal clear. So I don't know if that's a reading comprehension thing or if you're trying to create a strawman. The point is evolution and all other natural processes do not possess any consciousness or emotion. They're as mindless and cold as a watch. And it's these processes that have ultimately produced our brains (if atheism is true). Now, one of the driving forces behind evolution is survivability. Species that thrive get to reproduce and pass on their genes. What this means is your brain, that is a product of evolution, is the end result of millions of years of mutations and survival. However, an organism can possess a brain that produces false beliefs and still have high survivability. A false belief can even increase the survivability of an organism. What this means is at the end of evolution isn't necessarily a brain that will produce true beliefs. What's more, what increased surviability in the the anscestors of humans were people who were good at reproducing, fast, strong, hardy, and intelligent in the sense that they would stay away from danger and hunt prey. No where would there be philosophy, metaphysics, abstract thinking, and mathematics. In other words, the genes that control this kind of thought wouldn't be a driving component behind surviving like "do not dance in fire" would be.

3. "Your evolution/belief/food analogy is also unfounded."

You're going to have to be more specific in your criticisms from now on.

4. "I'm sure other people are applying it in your everyday life and you don't even realize it (designers of cars is an example)."

In terms of evolution, your brain is the product of the choices of the ancestors of humans and ancient humans, not humans living in 2017. Do you not know how long evolution takes?

5. "If you don't think that's civil and rational don't put it in your website or tell us about your website"

You're not just repeating what's on my website though. But let's say you were just doing that. Why would you? That would be odd, unless you were trying to imply something or some larger point was being made. My guess is you hate men who are Christian and white and straight. But maybe you're just odd. You tell me.