(June 22, 2017 at 9:31 pm)Hammok Man Wrote: Well thanks for tolerating me!
I am curious as to why you would want illegal immigrants allowed into the US, or allow them to stay.
Well, if my country were under attack by its own government and I was forced to flee my homeland, I would think that other countries would be welcoming. So, why not us? Tit for tat, I suppose. Besides, the white man pushed the Natives out of this country. What right do any of us have, really to keep anyone out?
Quote:However, there are many who use government services and do not pay taxes.
Sorry but I find this to be a myth. Unless you can show factual proof of your claim, a person simply cannot be an illegal immigrant in the US and be on welfare or food stamps or have medical insurance or have section 8 housing. For every single one of those services, a social security number is needed. Are there private organizations that are willing to help out those less fortunate? Yes there are. But those aren't run by government employees.
Quote:It is also common for illegal immigrants to be exploited by US companies, they often are paid less than legal immigrants or Americans for the same labor.
Employers do not have to pay workers comp for labor that is off the books, nor are they paying any health insurance (even if it is offered to other employees)
Granted this is probably a lot better than what they could get at home, but not up to our standards.
I would think you would be against this type of exploitation. (if they came here legally, or if the law was changed this could not happen)
Illegals are the ones who work the fields so that we can have fresh fruits and veggies at our tables. I can pretty much tell you that when the question comes up as to who among US citizens are willing to step up and take over those jobs out in hot fields all day, for hours on end, that illegals are willing to do, not a single person raises their hand. So - if you wanna kick all of them out, feel free, but know that you won't be eating fruits and vegetables at an affordable price anymore because farmers would now have to pay out minimum wage, offer half hour breaks and two fifteen minute breaks for any employee that works more than 8 hours a day, possibly pay overtime for more than 40 hours a week, they may have to offer health insurance, they will have to honor the FMLA for those employees with health issues or who have just become a parent etc. They will have to pay out UI and have to make sure taxes are taken out of every employee's paychecks and placed in an escrow account and pay it quarterly if wages are over a certain dollar amount.
Your tomatoes that you buy for $2.39 a pound just increased to well over $7.00 a pound in order for the farmer to pay all those expenses and still make a profit.
Quote:There are illegal immigrants who do pay federal and state taxes. I think these people should be allowed to legally live in the US and there should be an available path to citizenship.
They are called LEGAL immigrants. They have the proper documentation to live and work here. That's not illegal.
Quote:But until the law changes, I think it should be enforced.
I do not see the problem with a secure boarder, and enforced immigration law.
What other countries have open immigration?
Where can I move my family, use social services and pay no taxes?
Can we count on you and millions of others who feel this way to step up and start working the jobs that illegals do? Are you willing to do it for minimum wage, with no benefits and no other way of supporting your family? Believe it or not - illegal immigrants help keep prices down and help keep our economy from turning to shit. If you need reasons why, look at my reasons further above in this post.
Quote:I certainly know that you do not wish immigration law to be enforced, but is that only for those currently in the US?
Or would you rather see us have an open border policy?
Like i said not trying to change your mind, I am legitimately curious as to why.
I briefly spelled out my concerns with the matter, I would like to know yours.
Common sense dictates that we need some form of immigration enforcement. No doubt. But people coming from Mexico are hardly the issue. They aren't threatening to bomb our citizens, or government buildings or any other US owned entities. They are hard working folks who want to give a better life to their families back home. For the vast majority - They are not the threat.
The threats that we do have to this country are real. But I fail to see how building a wall is going to keep out threats that can simply fly over that wall, tunnel under that wall or put up a ladder against that wall. Incidentally, you don't hear Drumph talking about building a wall between Canada and the US, do you? Only Mexico. Drumph is a racist. And he's stupid because he has no idea of how much illegals contribute to the US economy. He also has no idea that fucking with the peaceful relations the US has with Mexico, will lead to further economic ruin for the US. Much of the fruits and vegetables and other products that the US gets from outside the border, comes from Mexico. If you've ever stopped to think about why we get "seasonal" fruits and veggies all year - thank the south. Where I live, I can only grow my favorite veggies during the spring and summer months. Crops don't fair well in the winter months. But it's nice to know that I can still eat carrots, potatoes, broccoli etc all year long thanks to our neighbors in the south.
Also - what does this have to do with the topic of this thread?
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