Moral Nihilism

[Giff]

And? It says nothing about not killing being "in our backbone" which is my only point of disagreement with you.

Psychopaths, which lack empathy, have no problem killing people. They don't feel bad about it and don't see it something wrong. This what probably everybody would if moral is made up by society. The no one naturally would feel it to be wrong to kill someone wihtout any reason.

Firstly so what? And secondly who are you to decide what people do and don't find tasty?

Right, I can't decide whats tasty or not. But I still you wouldn't eat another person and not concider to do that. Personally just the thought is discusting. Naturally so. We also dislike certain things natrually to avod poiseness things. That's why we think the thought of eating another person to be discusting, not because it's posiness but because it's something that would be a dissadvantage to our species. Like many other instincts tells us.

Cannabalism is just practised within diffrent religion which are jsutifieng it. Or by insantiy and during severe starvation.

As previously stated, I don't agree and I think you'll be hard pressed to find anything more than opinion to back that up.

Check above. Cannbalism have been studied and show that it's no occuring as something that's natural. Except the reasons I mentioned.

You do. I do. You and I no doubt know of many others who do but that by no means supports your assertion because we are of similar cultures, modern, western cultures and that assertion, whilst seemingly reasonable to you, may not transcend the barriers of time and civilisation.

Not because of cultural things but because of emotions. Emtions are not something is easily manipulated. Also emphaty is something that we have and are fact that make us feel bad seeing other people suffer. As I said those who lack empathy don't feel bad seeing other suffer but those who have do.

Again so what? It may be true, it may not be true but it doesn't support your assertion that we have an inbuilt need to avoid killing children.

Maybe not this example. But by looking at animals do they not kill children, except predators who hunt other's children. BUt that have to do with what is an advantage and what's not.

Also by looking at our closely relatives the monkeys can we see that they take care of their children. That in itself isnt' strange, but if a childs parents dies to the other take care of it. Some animals don't do these things and instead let them die.

Since humans are cloesly related to monkeys can we make the assertion that we do the same, since we also is doing that.

Also looking back in the hisory of man have such thing always occured. If we hadn't felt that it was wrong killing children, then the early man wouldn't help children without parents and so on.

You can call it what you like Giff but your wish and/or belief that it is so does not make it so. Humans are animals with brains, we are capable of great beauty, great achievements, great love and so on but by the same token we are also capable of great "evil", appalling acts of inhumanity and brutality which (to me) clearly indicate that we are nothing special in whatever great scheme of things there might be. Maybe religion is involved, maybe it isn't but as Dawkins said "Good people do good things, bad people do bad things but it takes religion to make good people do bad things" ... I would later that from religion to ideology and I would further add that religions/ideologies CAN make bad people do good things. But then again who decides what is good and what is bad?

AS you say what is god and what is bad? It's nothing society can decide always, often are they violationg themselves, it was what humans decide by what they naturally feel. Without that wouldn't the society have anything to base their moral view which the society would have.

If soceity alone where making up moral then people wouldn't be able to tell if it right or wrong. A society like the nazis who make up moral that they thing is good for the function of the society is not lasting because people can tell that it is wrong and not amoral that they want to follow.

Some don't and in some cases I would support them.

Clearify that.

Which is all very well but it DOES NOT prove we have any inbuilt moral concepts, it simply demonstrates that we will act in some very self-sacrificing ways ... why has yet to be established.

As you sakd before we are animlas with brains. Or atleast hihly evolved brains. I agree with that. We have emtions that control us, we have part of our brains whos function is feeling empathy.

I said it before those who lack these parts, or atleast are underdeveloped, will be crule and not tell the diffrence between right and wrong. Also lacking conscience and don't having a moral. They can't understand why a person is sad, or have very hard understanding it, and don't feel bad about killing someone.

And again it DOES NOT prove that morals are built in and not learned.

Many moral values are learned. Like stealing for an example. If we wouldn't allready feel that a certain thing like killing or hurting someone allready is wrong then it wouldn't matter if the society says it wrong. We would do it anyway.

Sigh! Marvellous! Peachy! Very nice! Moving and whatever else but none of that proves that we have any kind of built in moral conscience.

But it does show that some animals do help other, even outside of their own species. It's an emtional impulse that they get.

It's like we think that puppies are cute or that small things are cute. It's becuase they have the same proportion as a baby, our brain give us thereofre the impulse to think such thing are cute. That's because we should think babies are adoble and not throwing them to a wolf if they gets to annoying.

A women don't really have any feelings for her baby the first time, that's because she shall not get to emtionally involved and like that child to much. The reason is that most children died during the birth or a short time after. So to like them in the beginning would make tough to accept their death. But after a time those the women love her child, very much and seemingly overprotective, which is a natural thing to protect it.

To protect children is something that is built in to help them survive. That's our great advantage as humans. We have very many who suvive which make us grow. It shows amongst monkeys, humans and so on.

The mantis it's there own if they don't get away quickly enough. Which is advange for them because then they get rid of the weak. Which are very importent for mantis as a spieces to only have the strongest. Also the female eats the male mantis while mating, which is advantage becuase the female get's food and get's to mate at the same time.