RE: What moral justification besides bodily autonomy do you use to support the position t
July 4, 2017 at 10:04 pm
(July 4, 2017 at 9:45 pm)DogmaticDownSouth Wrote:(July 4, 2017 at 9:39 pm)The Gentleman Bastard Wrote: I don't argue against late term abortions and have nothing against birth being the deciding line.
OK cool, that's atleast consistent.
Just to be clear, you stated that you have no problem with the late term abortion of a healthy, viable infant at term for any reason correct?
Not trying to trap you or anything, just making sure that's your position.
If it is then I can't argue with your consistency.
My argument with this is obvious. If the infant had been born the day before (exact same infant) it would have full rights but since it is locationally still in the womb then no rights? Then there is nothing fundamental about the fetus allowing it to be a right bearer, rather like real estate it's about location, location, location.
Another hypothetical just to drive a finer point on your position. (not arguing, genuinely clarifying) If a woman was pregnant with twins, I assume you would feel it would be morally justifiable to deliver 1 and terminate the other immediately prior to delivery? Again your morality is your morality, just want to make sure I understand your position.
I'm a pragmatist. There are wayyyyyy too many starving kids living in abject poverty today to condone forcing an unwilling mother to carry to term.
Let's look at some of the other pragmatic results of forcing unwilling mothers to carry to term. Best case scenario, she comes to love the child and is glad she didn't have an abortion, but the kid still gets to live in the conditions the mother provides. If she's broke, the kid grows up in poverty. If she's well off, well bonus. But, what if the mom is a user? Maybe she just has anger management issue. Shaken baby syndrome anyone? What if she turns abusive? Neglectful? And, please, if you were considering going there, the "just put 'em up for adoption" argument is a sad, sad joke.
There are many, many reasons a woman might want an abortion and I'm betting "Oops, guess I should been more careful" is way down the list.
And, before you start conflating my morality with my opinion on abortion... I never said I would want a late term abortion or urge someone who doesn't want a late term abortion to have one. I simply would have no problem with them being legal. Personally, I think if you can't figure out what you want in the four or five months most laws allow, you probably never will and that late term abortions would mostly be done for the same reasons they're legally done today.
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