(July 6, 2017 at 11:38 am)Khemikal Wrote:(July 6, 2017 at 11:28 am)Brian37 Wrote: Government keeps lists on citizens for lots of things,IRS, social security, and drivers licences most notably. If I owned a firearm, just like a car has a vin number and licence plate, and it got stolen, or worse, stolen and used in a crime, why the fuck would I not want it traced and the criminal charged for stealing my property?Yeah, I know...-they even keep lists of gun owners and their guns manufacturing ID - and sometimes rifling patterns-...just not at the federal level.
Quote:I think the bullshit is that the far right has been sold too much cold war bullshit. I am glad to see however, even they are telling a GOP president to fuck off. It gives me some hope that we are not completely lost.At some point they have to. The whole point of the Trump presidency, from the point of the establishment right, is to reduce brand damage. They get to be seen virtue signaling (republican virtues, mind you, like obedience to state and superiors) - but they also get to pull the rug out from under him at some point and lay all of their failures on his outgoing august self.
Quote:Your attempt to equate gun SAFETY to what Trump is doing is bullshit. The irony is that the far right thinks liberals should not be trusted owning firearms, there was a politician long ago that expanded gun rights to his loyalists and took them away from dissenters. That asshole committed suicide in a bunker.You turn into an idiot whenever guns come up...you know that right...lol. -I- didn't equate them......the republicans did by framing that issue in the way that they did. If they;re against lists purportedly designed to intimidate citizens trying to exercise their constitutionally guaranteed rights..then they should be against those lists regardless of whether or not it's the 2nd or the 15th amendment in question.
Understand?
Guns are already kept track of, unfortunately NOT on updated systems, but just like with the VA, the GOP guts funding to everything, then blames the other side for a needless problem they created.
What keeps EITHER PARTY from becoming fascist are not government record keeping, but enforcement of checks and balances, oversight of power. The bullshit coming from the right is "big bad government", which is not the real argument they are making but "we want to be the only power".
I don't want to hear your bullshit "government tyranny" if you support a party that wants to crawl up vaginas they don't own.
