RE: Don't you just love the hypocrisy of religion.
July 13, 2017 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: July 13, 2017 at 10:00 pm by Wyrd of Gawd.)
(July 13, 2017 at 2:06 am)Aliza Wrote:(July 13, 2017 at 1:39 am)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote: Yeshua preached the Nazarene doctrine; Paul preached the Christian doctrine. They are not the same doctrines.
I'm not sure what the doctrine of the city of Nazareth is, but I think what's really happening here is that Christians are confusing the words "Nazarite" (one who upholds the Nazarite laws) with "Nazarene" (one who is from the city of Nazareth.) Really, it's a homophone. The words sound similar, but they mean different things and they're spelled differently.
I think the NT states that Jesus was from Nazareth, but that's not the same as being a Nazarite. We can easily demonstrate that Jesus wasn't a Nazarite (like Sampson) because he drank wine, and wine would be prohibited for Nazarites.
As it says in Acts 22:8 (CEB) = "I answered, ‘Who are you, Lord?’ ‘I am Jesus the Nazarene, whom you are harassing,’ he replied."
Acts 24:5 (CEB) = "We have found this man to be a troublemaker who stirs up riots among all the Jews throughout the empire. He’s a ringleader of the Nazarene faction"
(July 13, 2017 at 12:42 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Sorry, Wyrd, I missed this reply.
Now think about this:
1. Do you know when the Bible got numbered chapters and verses?
Cardinal Langton in the 13th century although others were working on similar schemes.
2. Do you know when the "J" words (John, Judas, Jews, Jerusalem, Joshua, Joseph, etc) were introduced in the biblical stories?
"J" was invented in English in the early 17th century. It started in France a bit earlier. It is safe to assume that once the letter was available they jesus freaks converted their fairy tales to it.
3. Do you know when Yeshua became Jesus?
In Greek it was always Iesou. Presumably this was the closest the Greeks could get to the Aramaic Y'shua. Latin it seems to have been "Iesu" as Holy Grail noted.
The same phrase appears in this translation of Gloria in Excelsis Deo:
Tu solus Altissimus, Iesu Christe.
Cum Sancto Spiritu, in gloria Dei Patris.
4. Do you know when the 14 Apocrypha books were deleted and why?
You are over-generalizing. There are so many bibles....each proclaiming the one true god, of course...and some of them contain the Apocrypha and some reject them. If you want to talk about the catholic bible they are there.
If you didn't know the answers to those basic questions what makes you think you know anything about the history of the Bible?
Again, there are so many bibles each with its own core group of fans. Why should I worry about whichever one you are championing?
You keep missing the point. All of the Bible versions contained the Apocrypha books until 1881 when two English guys, Westcott & Hort, decided to dump them. The Protestants obeyed but the Catholics kept them. The Apocrypha has only been deleted from the Bible that the Protestants use 135 years. The "Catholic Bible" is the original Bible. The "Protestant Bible" is the Reader's Digest version. Two guys stole 14 books in 1881.
http://rockingodshouse.com/why-were-14-b...e-in-1881/
And Yeshua became "Jesus" because two Dutch con men were printing bad Bibles and got sued in a London court in 1632. The name "Jesus" was used just once in the court document. It had never been used in any Bible before that time. People liked the name and rebranded Yeshua as Jesus and started using it in most new Bible versions after 1632. It had nothing to do with the Greek or Latin name for the character.
"The short answer is the Name: "Jesus," was not given or received over 2000 years ago. The first time the name was spelled (as far as my research indicates) precisely this way was in the phrase: "JESUS’ psalter.”
Which was noted in June of 1632 within a legal brief prepared from the Court of the High Commission in London England.
Now here is a medium amount of detail: Ironically, the name was spelled this way in an official lawsuit filed against a pair of owners of an Amsterdam print shop who were printing Bibles for gain (profit) - their edition bears the date 1631 - 1632. The pair willfully engaged in dishonorable publishing and “made grievous errors.” The evidence was their production of a Bible without quality, a printing disgrace known commonly as ‘the wicked Bible.’ The pair were sued for printing subpar quality and lost - having to pay a large fine. But the spelling JESUS which was only written within the court’s document, and which occurred just once, remained to become the Western Brand Name for a very famous Jew."
https://www.quora.com/If-the-letter-J-wa...-years-ago