RE: Watching my cat, thinking about god and human nature
July 15, 2017 at 2:05 pm
(This post was last modified: July 15, 2017 at 2:38 pm by mordant.)
(July 14, 2017 at 7:55 am)Lutrinae Wrote: If god is real, which I still doubt, this is a more credible understanding of god's unknowable nature than that of the theistic point of view.If god is unknowable then he is irrelevant.
(July 15, 2017 at 10:31 am)Lutrinae Wrote: An individual's personal experience is not evidence.The person wasn't dead anyway. It's called a NEAR death experience for a reason.
The doctor, after all, cannot verify what the patient experienced while s/he was dead.
(July 15, 2017 at 10:41 am)Little Rik Wrote:You keep using that word VERIFIED but I do not think it means what you think it means.(July 15, 2017 at 10:31 am)Lutrinae Wrote: An individual's personal experience is not evidence.
1) Individual?
There are a myriad of these experiences not just one.
2) Do you know what the word VERIFIED means?
I don't think you know so let me explain what that means.
It means that what these people saw during their NDE was verified by witnesses and that is the evidence that their experiences were real.
These witness were doctors, registered nurses and other people as well.
Are you such a fool that think that doctors and other people that studied for years and years are idiots that are telling stories?
They have no interests in telling stories nor the people who had these NDEs so why should they tell us bulls?
No one can co-witness what happens in between another person's ears. Personal experience cannot be verified or substantiated.
Lots of money has been spent on scientifically constructed studies of NDEs over many years and they have been unable to conclusively validate any NDE.
The rest of your questions are just arguments from authority. Doctors and nurses can misattribute things just like anyone else. They are not immune to confirmation bias by any means. They can study for years and years and still be fallible about areas outside their area of study especially. They study medicine, not metaphysics. That doesn't make them idiots, it just makes them human. The only thing that matters is not whether a doctor or nurse was impressed by a story but whether the story is actually substantiated and in fact whether the experience is related in a controlled double-blind environment. Examples of constructed studies include messages or out of place objects hidden atop, e.g., suspended light fixtures and invisible / unknown to personnel working in the room but should be visible to a temporarily discarnate spirit hovering over the scene. Then you have to find that subset of patients who had the experience AND are willing to talk about it, and there need to be accurate time synchronized records of EEG / EKG activity, audio recordings etc to compare to the NDE account and so forth. It takes years to accumulate this sort of evidence and last I checked it has come to nothing in terms of conclusive and convincing substantiation for any account of an NDE.
That is the burden of proof. Not that an MD found an NDE account interesting or compelling.