(July 15, 2017 at 6:00 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:Well, may someday this situation or something similar will happen that would demonstrate via the physical senses, then your ilk will believe.(July 15, 2017 at 2:39 pm)snowtracks Wrote: Not trying to prove God or change your mind; God is self-evident. Now, go into the corner and repeat 100 times or until you understand. Mathematics is where there is 'proofs'.
Self-evident means that something doesn't need to be demonstrated. But it still can be demonstrated. In order for god to be self-evident he still needs evidence of his existence. Since there is no evidence of his existence, god is not self-evident.
If a physical entity with the appearance of personhood were to materialize on the White House lawn and while saying “I’m God” (loud enough that it was recorded) levitated a foot above the ground, would that constitute proof that God is not hidden? As the Secret Service approached, this entity asked one agent to place his hand onto the entity’s shoulder which the agent did, thus making the entity to disappear. Later, in the briefing, the agent said the shoulder garment felt ‘velvety’, anything else you noticed? ‘Yes, as we approached this thing, there was an aroma of fruit, the closer we got the more pungent it became, much like orange blossoms’.
Atheist Credo: A universe by chance that also just happened to admit the observer by chance.