(July 18, 2017 at 11:32 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(July 18, 2017 at 9:23 am)Godscreated Wrote: Christ will not have to be announced by anything other than a trumpet blast at His second coming. When He does come everyone will know it, all at the same moment.
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Wow! Since when do Christians pay attention to prophecies about messiah? I mean that really. For Christians prophecies were always unimportant technicalities because then even their Jesus would be fake messiah considering that OT prophecies of the messiah's arrival would usher in: the end of sin, the end of suffering, peace and tranquility, one creed and one religion, the resurrection of the dead, the gathering of the ten tribes under a Davidic king, building of the future temple etc. none of that happened and yet do I need to remind you how many people, including yourself, think this Jesus was indeed messiah prophesied by OT.
The apostles used the OT prophecies to preach about the Messiah. There preaching in this manner lead many thousands to the Messiah and they were Jews including priests. The rest of what you put forward is to happen at and after the second coming.
FM Wrote:Even when writers of Jesus myth try to fulfill prophecies about Jesus coming, like Elijah's coming was to precede the messiah's arrival, write themselves into a corner and fail, because John the Baptist flatly stated he was not the predicted Elijah.
This was to reference that John was a representative of who Elijah was.
FM Wrote:Not to mention that Jesus himself was really bad prophesying himself, like one about our times when he said "And they shall hear my voice and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd." However, after two thousand years we have over 40 000 separate Christian denominations. That hardly sounds like one fold and one shepherd.
Christ is the one shepherd and the worlds Christians are His one flock.
FM Wrote:Or Revelations 3:11 Jesus said, "Behold, I come quickly." After two thousand years Jesus is yet to come and by any measure that is hardly "quickly."
When one is an eternal being 2000 years is less than a second.
FM Wrote:Or when he said "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth". He was not actually put in the earth, much less the heart of the earth and much less time.
He was in a tomb, meaning He was in the belly and/or heart of the earth.
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God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.