RE: Jesus already came (at lest for some)
July 19, 2017 at 9:39 am
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2017 at 10:03 am by Huggy Bear.)
(July 19, 2017 at 8:20 am)mh.brewer Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 4:35 am)Huggy74 Wrote: The original Greek:
Παιδία, ἐσχάτη ὥρα ἐστίν, καὶ καθὼς ἠκούσατε ὅτι ἀντίχριστος ἔρχεται, καὶ νῦν ἀντίχριστοι πολλοὶ γεγόνασιν: ὅθεν γινώσκομεν ὅτι ἐσχάτη ὥρα ἐστίν. - 1 John 2:18
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hour
*emphasis mine*
Again, that scripture never referenced a specific time period.
Nice dodge. What, gods words can't stand on their own?
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/%E1%BD%A5%CF%81%CE%B1
Note that it says defined period of time, not an open ended period of time. Care to define it for us?
Might have well just said "well, this might happen, at some time, or maybe not at all, but just in case".
What dodge? I gave you the definition of the word, the word by itself does not indicate a defined period of time.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/languages/greek/tal...otes.shtml
Quote:Τι ώρα...;
tee ora
Ώρα (οra) means both ‘time’ and ‘hour’. To say ‘o’clock’, you use the number, such as οχτώ (ohto), eight, followed by η ώρα (ee ora), literally ‘the hour’.
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Modern_Greek/Lesson_06.4
Quote:τι ώρα είναι; = What time is it?
Η ώρα είναι οκτώ. = The time is eight o'clock.
As I keep trying to explain to you, simply saying "time" is not specific, you need a number to quantify HOW MUCH TIME! which you claim the Bible states and so far you've provided no scripture to prove your point.
(July 19, 2017 at 9:38 am)Fake Messiah Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 7:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: So you're just going to ignore my reply to you and address to GC instead? Am I to assume you have no response?
Oh the response
(July 19, 2017 at 7:45 am)Huggy74 Wrote: this means those prophecies you mentioned have still yet to be completed, which will happen during his second coming.
Actually you are avoiding to pin OT "prophecies" to Jesus by delaying it to his 2nd coming, then 3rd, then 4th, then 5th and so on. So there is slight difference between you and people that already chose their Christos among the ones that claim they're him, since they also obviously delayed the prophecies to his 197th coming. I mean everybody can be a messiah under those circumstances.
As a side question if you had to choose to follow one Jesus from the 1st post which one would you choose?
Except the second coming is In the scriptures, there is nothing about any 3rd or 4th coming, so I don't know where you get that Idea.
Quote:Zechariah 12
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
Quote:Zechariah 13
6 And one shall say unto him, ‘What are these wounds in thine hands?’ Then he shall answer, ‘Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.’
The Above is Old testament prophecy, Upon Jesus second coming he will appear to the Jews and fulfill all that the Bible said the Messiah was supposed to do for the Jewish people, but they will notice that he has wounds on him. When Jesus states that he received the wounds "in the house of my friends" (meaning his fellow Jews), they will realize that they crucified their Messiah.
Quote:John 19
34 But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.
35 And he that saw it bare record, and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might believe.
36 For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken.
37 And again another scripture saith, They shall look on him whom they pierced.