RE: Jesus already came (at lest for some)
July 19, 2017 at 2:42 pm
(This post was last modified: July 19, 2017 at 3:08 pm by Huggy Bear.)
(July 19, 2017 at 1:37 pm)Inkfeather132 Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 1:25 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: Read chapter 12 of Zechariah and compare it to 13, they are speaking of the same event, there is no way that you can deny it it referring to the messiah.
That being said;
The NIV was published in the 1970's, The KJV is from 1611, in fact the NIV omits whole verses...
Nevertheless the NIV says "body" instead of "hands"... this changes things how? seeing how Jesus was pierced though the hands, feet and side.
Zechariah 13:
13 “On that day a fountain will be opened to the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity.
2 “On that day, I will banish the names of the idols from the land, and they will be remembered no more,” declares the Lord Almighty. “I will remove both the prophets and the spirit of impurity from the land. 3 And if anyone still prophesies, their father and mother, to whom they were born, will say to them, ‘You must die, because you have told lies in the Lord’s name.’ Then their own parents will stab the one who prophesies.
4 “On that day every prophet will be ashamed of their prophetic vision. They will not put on a prophet’s garment of hair in order to deceive. 5 Each will say, ‘I am not a prophet. I am a farmer; the land has been my livelihood since my youth.’ 6 If someone asks, ‘What are these wounds on your body?’ they will answer, ‘The wounds I was given at the house of my friends.’
Here it is. It is clearly not speaking of a messiah, it is talking about false prophets. Anyone who is interested may read it for themselves.
Who do you think the fountain open to the house of David is referring to? was not Jesus of the house of David? Did he not die to cleanse sin?
Also did you even bother reading chapter 12?
Quote:Zechariah 12
8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
12 And the land shall mourn, every family apart; the family of the house of David apart, and their wives apart; the family of the house of Nathan apart, and their wives apart;
13 The family of the house of Levi apart, and their wives apart; the family of Shimei apart, and their wives apart;
14 All the families that remain, every family apart, and their wives apart.
Chapter 12 is clearly speaking of the messiah, chapter 13 is speaking of the exact same event, it just doesn't use a personal pronoun like chapter 12 does
(July 19, 2017 at 2:25 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote: Nevertheless the NIV says "body" instead of "hands"... this changes things how? seeing how Jesus was pierced though the hands, feet and side.
And of course it would never occur to some asshole like you that whoever wrote that later NT horseshit might not have known what it was supposed to say, huh? C'mon HUggy. Even you aren't that dense.
Except you guys claim that the Bible is full of contradictions... Can't have it both ways so which is it?
(July 19, 2017 at 2:41 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(July 19, 2017 at 2:21 pm)Huggy74 Wrote: What I said isn't debatable, I said the scripture you referenced does not specify any certain time period, YOU claimed it did... You can't debate something that is uncertain, and there is no way to interpret that scripture in a way where it is specifying a certain time.
If it is your position that that a certain time is specified, then show me where it is.
Furthermore there is no Christian anywhere that will argue that particular scripture states Jesus's second coming was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago.
"Furthermore there is no Christian anywhere that will argue that particular scripture states Jesus's second coming was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago."
So Revelation 1:7 (ERV) is BS. = "7 Look, Jesus is coming with the clouds! Everyone will see him, even those who pierced him. All peoples of the earth will cry loudly because of him. Yes, this will happen! Amen."
That isn't the scripture I was referring to...
Also you do realize that upon Jesus second coming he resurrects the dead right?
