(July 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote:(July 25, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Astreja Wrote: *hug* You're not going to hell, GoneGuy. Trust that a truly good god would never put anyone through something like that, and that it's just a myth that was invented to scare people into the pews and loot their wallets.
Some people do deserve hell. They did some nasty, nasty things. Unspeakable harm to many humans.
Your eyes weren't scratched yet; in other words you didn't see.
Forgiveness and penalty are both used to benefit the system that uses them. Using both can be pictured as a sultan carrying a sword in the right hand, and a sack of golden coins in the left. With a belly dancer shaking her heart out for wanting the coins; and dodging the sword swings.
God's forgiveness and reward were hijacked by sultans. Christian salvation is nothing but a church-pushed guarantee that the dance shall continue without extra swings.
But even that hijack is an illusion.
Yep you sound just like a Christian with the revenge bullshit.
"Hell" isn't even a concept owned by Islam, Christianity or Jews. Polytheism and even Asian religions far older have their ideas of reward punishment in the afterlife. But many of them simply don't call it heaven or hell.
"Hell" is not a corrective action as an idea in the religions of Abraham. In the real secular west outside the death penalty, which most western nations besides America don't have, in these countries we have due process, and when we do put people in prison we have limits to the amount of time based on the crime. And in many cases when someone is put in prison they can make use of their time learning a skill or getting an education, so when they do get out they have the opportunity to become productive.
"Hell" is not about teaching a lesson to the accused, hell is simply an act of revenge by the God character. It serves no purpose as a corrective measure. It is simply based on the egotism and narcissism of the God character for not kissing his ass.
But to be fair, the re-incarnation tropes of Hinduism and Buddhism, which say if you do good in this life you will be more well off in the next, but if you do bad, you will become a lower life form in the next. That too is simply another bullshit superstition gap answer that is used by power in the family, temple or even in politics to create social order and is used to scare people into behaving.
Real morality is doing the right thing without being bribed or threatened. The good thing about evolution is that we have always had that ability in us. We don't always live up to it as individuals, but it is part of evolution regardless.
