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July 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm (This post was last modified: July 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm by Whateverist.)
(July 25, 2017 at 2:40 pm)GoneGuy Wrote: Basically I was a Christian, or at least I thought I was. I kept on sinning and just like it says if you blaspheme the Holy spirit its unforgivable. I ignored his promptings for years and then out of nowhere something in me was different. Literally in an instant. I have been separated from Gods presence here on earth and I cant even describe what it's like, but let me tell you that He loves everyone very much. Its like I don't exist anymore. My spirit's GONE. dead. I'm literally just existing in the flesh with no Love in me. I know I'm going to hell, and its just like the bible says those who reject him will be aware of their coming judgement. I cant stress it enough how important it is to Accept Jesus. Having no soul is like complete apathy, but not really because I cant feel anything. I just process everything around me. No enjoyment, satisfaction, nothing good. Just like the bible says everything good comes from God and it is so hard to describe what having no love, faith, or hope in you at all is like. I just exist, but I don't. I'm just waiting, and I'm aware that I'm going to hell, but it doesn't bother me, because only through love can you truly care about anything. All that's in my heart is wickidness. You know how when you think about past memories or do things you like and you get this good feeling, I have nothing. The dead know nothing. Its indescribable. All I can say is I cant stress enough how much Jesus loves all of you, and that he accepts you just how you are right now. If you can Love at all even a tiny bit, that's all he needs. Trust me when I say anything in this life is nothing compared to what will be waiting for you in heaven. I have no intuition anymore, I have no identity, and I don't mean that to sound dramatic I mean literally. Its like things I used to enjoy and hate I remember that I did like the, but I cant feel it. Nothing, youd think I would freak out, but without a soul it doesn't matter. I cant freak out, because that would require some sort of goodness to actually care. I know it sounds just like depression and apathy, but its not. Its just NOTHING.
You've just over-layed a garden variety depression with all that xtian shit. No need to do that to yourself.
(July 25, 2017 at 3:18 pm)Astreja Wrote: *hug* You're not going to hell, GoneGuy. Trust that a truly good god would never put anyone through something like that, and that it's just a myth that was invented to scare people into the pews and loot their wallets.
Some people do deserve hell. They did some nasty, nasty things. Unspeakable harm to many humans.
Your eyes weren't scratched yet; in other words you didn't see.
Forgiveness and penalty are both used to benefit the system that uses them. Using both can be pictured as a sultan carrying a sword in the right hand, and a sack of golden coins in the left. With a belly dancer shaking her heart out for wanting the coins; and dodging the sword swings.
God's forgiveness and reward were hijacked by sultans. Christian salvation is nothing but a church-pushed guarantee that the dance shall continue without extra swings.
But even that hijack is an illusion.
Yep you sound just like a Christian with the revenge bullshit.
"Hell" isn't even a concept owned by Islam, Christianity or Jews. Polytheism and even Asian religions far older have their ideas of reward punishment in the afterlife. But many of them simply don't call it heaven or hell.
"Hell" is not a corrective action as an idea in the religions of Abraham. In the real secular west outside the death penalty, which most western nations besides America don't have, in these countries we have due process, and when we do put people in prison we have limits to the amount of time based on the crime. And in many cases when someone is put in prison they can make use of their time learning a skill or getting an education, so when they do get out they have the opportunity to become productive.
"Hell" is not about teaching a lesson to the accused, hell is simply an act of revenge by the God character. It serves no purpose as a corrective measure. It is simply based on the egotism and narcissism of the God character for not kissing his ass.
But to be fair, the re-incarnation tropes of Hinduism and Buddhism, which say if you do good in this life you will be more well off in the next, but if you do bad, you will become a lower life form in the next. That too is simply another bullshit superstition gap answer that is used by power in the family, temple or even in politics to create social order and is used to scare people into behaving.
Real morality is doing the right thing without being bribed or threatened. The good thing about evolution is that we have always had that ability in us. We don't always live up to it as individuals, but it is part of evolution regardless.
1 - If this is a genuine cry for help - call your local crisis center. They are trained to help you. Please get some help.
2 - If this is just another attempt to make atheists feel guilty for not believing in gawd - that was a fail. Countless came before you buddy.
3 - Really - I hope you're going to be okay and that you aren't some sort of a shitposter who drops a giant turd of a thread then leaves. I'm getting really sick of those kind of people showing up here.
Disclaimer: I am only responsible for what I say, not what you choose to understand.
(November 14, 2018 at 8:57 pm)The Valkyrie Wrote: Have a good day at work. If we ever meet in a professional setting, let me answer your question now. Yes, I DO want fries with that.
Basically I was a Christian, or at least I thought I was. I kept on sinning and just like it says if you blaspheme the Holy spirit its unforgivable. I ignored his promptings for years and then out of nowhere something in me was different. Literally in an instant. I have been separated from Gods presence here on earth and I cant even describe what it's like, but let me tell you that He loves everyone very much. Its like I don't exist anymore. My spirit's GONE. dead. I'm literally just existing in the flesh with no Love in me. I know I'm going to hell, and its just like the bible says those who reject him will be aware of their coming judgement. I cant stress it enough how important it is to Accept Jesus. Having no soul is like complete apathy, but not really because I cant feel anything. I just process everything around me. No enjoyment, satisfaction, nothing good. Just like the bible says everything good comes from God and it is so hard to describe what having no love, faith, or hope in you at all is like. I just exist, but I don't. I'm just waiting, and I'm aware that I'm going to hell, but it doesn't bother me, because only through love can you truly care about anything. All that's in my heart is wickidness. You know how when you think about past memories or do things you like and you get this good feeling, I have nothing. The dead know nothing. Its indescribable. All I can say is I cant stress enough how much Jesus loves all of you, and that he accepts you just how you are right now. If you can Love at all even a tiny bit, that's all he needs. Trust me when I say anything in this life is nothing compared to what will be waiting for you in heaven. I have no intuition anymore, I have no identity, and I don't mean that to sound dramatic I mean literally. Its like things I used to enjoy and hate I remember that I did like the, but I cant feel it. Nothing, youd think I would freak out, but without a soul it doesn't matter. I cant freak out, because that would require some sort of goodness to actually care. I know it sounds just like depression and apathy, but its not. Its just NOTHING.
Seriously goneguy, you need real help and posting rants on atheist sites isn't the right way to go about it. There's no-one watching, giving you bonus points for piety; there's no soul to use as a bargaining chip for your penance in the next life; hell, there's no next life. If you accept the reality that what you thought of as the presence of god was actually your own subconscious, maybe you can start reconnecting with yourself and start to heal.
(July 25, 2017 at 7:16 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: Some people do deserve hell. They did some nasty, nasty things. Unspeakable harm to many humans.
Your eyes weren't scratched yet; in other words you didn't see.
Forgiveness and penalty are both used to benefit the system that uses them. Using both can be pictured as a sultan carrying a sword in the right hand, and a sack of golden coins in the left. With a belly dancer shaking her heart out for wanting the coins; and dodging the sword swings.
God's forgiveness and reward were hijacked by sultans. Christian salvation is nothing but a church-pushed guarantee that the dance shall continue without extra swings.
But even that hijack is an illusion.
If it were true then I would agree some people certainly do deserve hell.
Since I don't believe it's true then I just hope that the worst of humanity is removed from our ranks sooner than later, and that those who have died are simply as mortal as the rest of us.
I totally believe life is more of a filter. We just pass through that and get categorized according to our actions.
You just sleep better believing that the suffering of others would never be wasted
(July 25, 2017 at 8:01 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Yep you sound just like a Christian with the revenge bullshit.
"Hell" isn't even a concept owned by Islam, Christianity or Jews. Polytheism and even Asian religions far older have their ideas of reward punishment in the afterlife. But many of them simply don't call it heaven or hell.
"Hell" is not a corrective action as an idea in the religions of Abraham. In the real secular west outside the death penalty, which most western nations besides America don't have, in these countries we have due process, and when we do put people in prison we have limits to the amount of time based on the crime. And in many cases when someone is put in prison they can make use of their time learning a skill or getting an education, so when they do get out they have the opportunity to become productive.
"Hell" is not about teaching a lesson to the accused, hell is simply an act of revenge by the God character. It serves no purpose as a corrective measure. It is simply based on the egotism and narcissism of the God character for not kissing his ass.
But to be fair, the re-incarnation tropes of Hinduism and Buddhism, which say if you do good in this life you will be more well off in the next, but if you do bad, you will become a lower life form in the next. That too is simply another bullshit superstition gap answer that is used by power in the family, temple or even in politics to create social order and is used to scare people into behaving.
Real morality is doing the right thing without being bribed or threatened. The good thing about evolution is that we have always had that ability in us. We don't always live up to it as individuals, but it is part of evolution regardless.
Humans are interest-oriented beings.
Let's be honest; we eat to feel full and to taste. We breath to survive; we excel in love to be loved back, that's why prisons make us go insane; hunger make us die.
Imagine if there was no reward after school, or no paycheck in your work.
Reward make us move, penalty make us cease.
I think of hell as more of a logical fate of certain events; just like death. God doesn't enjoy torture, but the serial killer's only reasonable fate is a place like hell; imagine a pedophile serial killer who rapes children then eat them
