(July 25, 2017 at 10:52 pm)Wyrd of Gawd Wrote:(July 22, 2017 at 10:38 am)Astonished Wrote: Thank you, I was wondering why so many people were having such a weird hangup about that misapprehension.
But for the sake of this hypothetical, because this authoritarian force is beyond human, the assumption is that they are either prohibited from becoming corrupt via programming (in the case of the I, Robot androids) or because they are already in possession of such power and technology that humans have nothing to offer and therefore need not be exploited, which the Overlords from Childhood's End fall under. Or whatever other superior entities would be capable of a global overnight reformation. With a prerogative of benevolence, regardless of (one would think, more or less reasonable) restrictions on personal freedoms. So we're not going the 'are they going to stab us in the back' route here, just for simplicity.
If you stop thinking and doing for yourself you are just a helpless newborn baby. Would you like to live to be 100 years old but never advance beyond the attributes of a one-day old baby?
Are you just ignoring the content of my posts that says NONE of that is what would actually result for numerous reasons? You're making false equivalencies left and right and I don't understand how that's possible unless you're just not even bothering to think about it beyond a fraction of a second. I literally can't see how you could come to this conclusion, I really, REALLY don't. In what way does enabling us to advance, ever so slowly, to or near the point that this superior power has reached, make us helpless or restrain us mentally? If anything it would only unlock our untapped potential as a species and spur us on an upward trajectory we'd never have reached on our own. Or do you imagine that 90% of the world would be too slow to catch up if given the opportunity, or too paralyzed by their religious convictions, or too unwilling to trust that things were truly possible to be going so well, that they'd just give up and die off like the first few generations in the Matrix that couldn't handle living in a machine's idea of utopia? Yes, life sucks, and for the most part, people suck, but, fuck, man, if all but 10% died of boredom and that 10% became the generation of perpetual geniuses, shit, that's still a win in my book.
Here's how I picture a day in that life. I get up out of bed. I spend some time waking up, maybe posting on here to see how being really groggy affects how I respond to things. I make breakfast and eat it while watching TV or a movie. I take a shower and get dressed. I get on my bike and head out the door to work or, if the infrastructure of things is such that certain jobs are no longer necessary to be carried out by humans, to school, and not have to worry about being run over by a drunk or inattentive driver. I associate with my friends, we talk, eat, enjoy some media or literature, attend another class or two together, and learn things I didn't know before. Maybe I get help from the teacher or tutor for things I don't understand. Maybe I fail a test or quiz, or the entire class. So I decide to take it again next semester and hopefully do better. Why not? I can try as many times as I want because there's no reason I can't do that. Maybe I feel a little embarrassed or ashamed if I'm not performing as well as my peers but I have good reason not to give up even if it seems futile; the game of education here isn't necessarily rigged to win but I have an entire lifetime to try to reach that goal if I choose to persevere. If I have a romantic partner we can spend time together at the end of the day (or during, depending on our schedules; we may not have full freedom in determining those, after all). We can argue, get heated, maybe spend some time apart, maybe break up altogether. Not exactly the most pleasant thing but still a learning experience and room for personal growth. Hardly a 'paradise' with zero strife or suffering.
So please, anyone who wants to maintain that this will cause us to utterly stagnate, WHY? I just don't get it. At all. We're talking about people not being able to act upon their racist, homophobic and other harmful ideologies, an increase in safety and healthcare service, and ensuring that all people everywhere have access to safe, comfortable housing, food and water. Beyond that, not much else radically different. Hardly utopian. Just a semi-forceful restraint on our baser instincts and stupidity.
Religions were invented to impress and dupe illiterate, superstitious stone-age peasants. So in this modern, enlightened age of information, what's your excuse? Or are you saying with all your advantages, you were still tricked as easily as those early humans?
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.
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There is no better way to convey the least amount of information in the greatest amount of words than to try explaining your religious views.


