Evidence to Convict?

[LadyForCamus]

Explain how it is a shifting of goal posts?

Shifting the burden of proof required. But we are getting off topic.... I'm more concerned with the general principles, befor discussing special cases.

I have no idea what you mean here.

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Let's try this another way.  What if, hypothetically, we all came together in agreement that eye-witness testimony can be considered evidence.  Where does the dialogue go from there?

We could discuss ways in which testimony may be contaminated, limits of testimony, or other aspects in more detail.i would probably stop there though, and let you to re-assess things. Ideologies don't just change instantly. However I haven't even been really making an argument for testimony.  

Hopefully at least, people would quit saying testimony is not evidence, and we wouldn't need to go back to this.

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See, this is where I start to sense you are being disingenuous despite your multiple protestations.  Which ideology is it, exactly, that you feel "we" need to reassess?  I'm really trying to give you the benefit of the doubt here.