Evidence to Convict?

[Ravenshire]

As stated before, the purpose of this thread, wasn't to debate the issue, but to understand what others believe.
If some one want to discuss to debate the issue, then that is a different topic.  At first, I didn't want to turn this thread into a debate.  But even if it is winding down, I think it would be best to start fresh, and not in the middle.  If someone is so interested enough, then create a thread.

My guess is no one will.... but that won't prevent them from making it about me....avoiding discussion. (And if I don't happen to notice the creation of the other thread, put a link here)

No.  You want to discuss the topic up until the point where it becomes relevant to your personal beliefs, and then you want to draw a line in the sand.  Honest discourse doesn't work that way.  Sorry.

He also doesn't want to admit that topics ebb and flow. Make a new thread, make a new thread, make a new thread! For fuck's sake why? When it's all at least tangentially relevant to the topic at hand, why?

Oh, yeah. To make it easier for RR to spin his bullshit and ignore any contrary evidence.