This Has to Stop

[Astonished]

Someone posts saying they hate religious people and would rather see us get killed than teach our own kids about our faith, and 2 others kudos this??

You're not teaching them about religion though are you. You're forcing them into belief before they are old enough to understand the ridiculosness and falsity of the belief.

Children get indoctrinated that young (with lies and evasions, not just in the bible belt, I've seen the catholic church's curriculum in Ireland it teaches stuff only slightly less ridiculos than creatardism) because its the only chance the religions have for their bullshit to stick. Luckily in the modern day it's not sticking so well.

That's the crux of the problem. And parents in that mindset are conditioned not to think of things in that way. Just like they are conditioned not to think about Noah's ark as an unforgivable genocide that no loving deity could possibly contemplate, let alone carry out, they don't look at stripping away the cognitive aspects of their children as a bad thing. Even if you're really fair-weather about it, that's still massively disingenuous and unfair to the children who have to grow up in that kind of environment. Whether the parents actively do it themselves or just passively hand them off to sinister church leaders to do it, that's still doing nothing to protect them from it. And they want not to be thought of as child-hungry predators. Just because they're drooling over their brains instead of anuses, makes no goddamn difference. So when I say I'd rather watch and unfortunate accident befall a brainwashing agent as much as a pedophile, it's not hyperbole. They're committing the same offense, just in different ways.

I would rather have creationists teaching their kids bullshit than a world full of fascist thought police. If you can't win an argument by persuasion you need to beef up your persuasion skills or get out of the game.

False dilemma?

For real, right? "Is there any way you can prove anything you're teaching your kids is factually accurate? No? Erm, well, then...why?" "Oh, your child says they're never going to change their mind even though I can demonstrate with a simple experiment that their belief about this thing is inaccurate? Why is that? Oh, you told them they'd burn in lava forever after they die if they don't believe what you said? That doesn't seem like a good parenting tactic." How the fucking fuck could being opposed to something factually, objectively, demonstrably harmful be construed as a bad thing? But then religion is always opposed to freedom of choice, so of course they don't want their children to have the freedom to make up their own minds.

On the original post, wishing death instead of brainwashing on people is pretty messed up.

That being said, I agree that Ken Hamm's kids books, and Creationists views in general, are pretty sick and messed up.

Obey God or die really is their entire central message. And even the kindest versions of Christianity are more like love God or suffer eternally. Very messed up.

I don't see how you can think wishing death on someone who wishes death on children in that way is messed up. With all the pro-life hullabaloo, people seem to think the life of a blastocyst is more valuable than that of the mother, so what's the difference?

What's wrong with Dinosaur Train, I want to know?  GC and CL both seem to think it teaches something silly.  I love that show!

What? I dont even know what the dinosaur train is lol.

Me neither. But Gullible Cretin is always making shit up so I thought it might have been something he pulled out of his arse. If memory serves, you said you believe in evolution and other sciences, so I get that you're not going to be teaching children to deny such things even if they flatly contradict what you're going to be teaching them about your faith. So the question is, when push comes to shove and you are faced with a child asking you, so, which of the two is true, the bible stories or what we've discovered about reality through science, are you going to be honest and say that you don't actually know that what you believe is the truth but you believe it anyway and that they should make up their own mind? Are you not going to suggest that the rational approach is to follow the evidence and not a presupposed conclusion? Because unfortunately you'd be the only one in a position to decide whether that child is ultimately told WHAT to think or HOW to think. That's a very powerful position to hold. I know that if I was a slave owner, I'd be much better choosing the former. If I was raising a child I love and would die for, well, that approach might appear rather counter-intuitive to being humanitarian.