RE: Regarding The Flap Over Confederate Statues
September 14, 2017 at 9:08 am
(This post was last modified: September 14, 2017 at 9:21 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 14, 2017 at 9:02 am)bennyboy Wrote: Given two parties who think it's better to keep statues up, even controversial ones, wouldn't you expect a lot of the arguments to overlap?Would I expect that? No. I would expect a legitimately independent second "party" to have come up with a good argument, rather than parrot the woefully inadequate talking points of racists in suits.
Quote:Yep, that's me. An impressionable, easily-swayed idiot who thinks his brainwashers' ideas are his own.That's all of us. It's a feature, not a bug. Consider the alternative, however. If it's just not possible that you've been swayed by racists whom you did not recognize as racists, or advocates of racism....and you honestly came up with exactly the same shitty talking points on your own....what -is- the difference between you and a racist, in this regard? You support racism for the -same- reasons that racists do...and you did it all by yourself.
It's difficult, for me, to see the point in angling for one conclusion over the other, in this instance.
Quote:This is something nobody has really said so far, I think: what if most of Charlotteville ARE racists, and if they voted on the removal, it would be 80% in favor of keeping it where it is? Then what? Do we still demand that the statues be removed, because fuck the majority, some ideas are just more right than others?Yes....that -is- what we do, because we don't rule by mob in the US. Particularly not the racist mob, what with it being unconstitutional and all. So much for yammering on about freedom. A freedom that includes overt monuments to inequality being defended on the grounds that most of the people of x are racists...but....somehow....doesn't include the freedom of not living in the shadow of monuments to racism supported by racists.
Quote:This very much does seem to be the case-- I doubt very much that the majority of the citizens of Charlotteville are offended by a R. E. Lee statue.The majority of the citizens of some town might not be offended by a "whites only" sign as well. Point of fact, that's how genteel racism persists in the face of cultural and legal opposition.
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