RE: Is Accepting Christian Evidence Special Pleading?
September 15, 2017 at 9:28 am
(This post was last modified: September 15, 2017 at 9:34 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(September 14, 2017 at 4:34 pm)SteveII Wrote: For there to be special pleading, you need the circumstances to be the same (or similar) and treat them differently. Do you imagine that all the authors, all the surviving text making claims about public events and existing churches before any of the writings are similar to one person's claims of what happened to him when he was all by himself? If you think this is similar, your bias and/or intellectual honesty is so far out of whack there is no sense in continuing debating this issue.
Like I have said before. Joseph Smith's claims is the appropriate comparison (for once) to the atheist's favorite alien abductions.
(September 15, 2017 at 9:22 am)SteveII Wrote:Yeah you did, and you seem to know right where you did it too...what with launching an immediate attempt at apologist apologism.(September 15, 2017 at 7:19 am)Khemikal Wrote: You claimed that pauls stories were different than joes, in attempting to make an excuse for your special pleading.
God spoke to him privately, as he did to Joe Smith.
Are you now having trouble remembering the lies you've told about the stories you don't know?
No I did not. I have always discussed the entire body of information that we have is different than Joe's entire body of information. If you can't see that in post after post after post, you have real comprehension problems.
Quote:This is not rocket science. While you are often obnoxious, you are not stupid. Why play stupid here? You know very well that your statement "God spoke to him privately, as he did to Joe Smith" and therefore special pleading, ignores the actual circumstances that must be examined for a claim of special pleading to stick. Making statements like may work with the average ignorant-of-the-facts atheist on AF echo chamber, but are intellectually dishonest.
I get that you wish it did, but it doesn't. Your references to fiction do not change what must be accepted before a rational discussion of "pauls" narrative can be had. Paul, if he existed, was a man who had a private audience with god. It's not just -similar- to one mans claim of what happened to him in private..it -is- one mans claim of what happened to him in private. That other stories in the same religious tradition are compatible with this story is common to all religions. That's kind of how religion is done......
Would you like to move on to the next story, some story which you feel escapes your own criticism? Suggestions?
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