The Argument From Design

[The Grand Nudger]

"The bible is not factually accurate, but the biblical god still exists" Would that be a fair way to distill your argument Frodo?

lol

I'll let you argue the facts with people who give a damn. The bible is about God, and it sets out the method of faith to believe in him. So both of your statements are innacurate.

With respect to this thread, could that be stated as:

"The argument from design is not factually accurate, but God still exists"

There is no argument from design - an argument should prove something.

God is not a designer, right Frodo? Thats a material claim, and god belongs in the "metaphysical". Correct? You could correct me in your own words of course.

God is a designer: Factoring in God, he is the source and maintainer of everything. Physical origins and processes are what we can study using the scientific method. God isn't limited to or by the physical. The physical is limited to the physical.

You don't give a damn about the facts? I have always had exactly this suspicion about you and your beliefs. Say it aint so.

I feel the same Way Frodo, arguments should prove something. Care to prove anything while we're on the topic of proof?

So then you maintain that God is the source of all things in the material world, excellent, that's a testable hypothesis given that you define exactly what moment you feel that he was responsible for such an act. You understand that we do not have to be certain of or directly observe a cause to measure it's effects, correct? It doesn't matter what god has in his toolbox when you claim that the physical world is created and maintained by him. The physical world is observable, we would be able to measure the effect of whatever tool he chose to use, even if we did not understand the tool itself. Gravity is one shining example of this. There was absolutely no way for Newton to know what gravity was, instead he defined it by describing it's effects.

I won't ever let you get away with your material/immaterial shit again. It's hollow, and apparently you can't resist the urge to reverse yourself on this position. I'm not dishonest with you when we have a discussion, reciprocate.

I will make the positive claim that your god is a product of man. You can dismantle this by establishing a timeline that places god in a position to predate humanity (or any way that you like, just mentioning the simplest route).