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An alternative to atheist thought
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought
(September 23, 2017 at 10:34 am)SaStrike Wrote: Thanks for the compliment. A spirit isn't a fact though.

What do you mean "something gave rise to the first source of the material universe"?

In my opinion, the material and energy in the universe has always been there, just changing states and forms. No source (that brings up the whole something out of nothing problem and the source of the source etc). Life on earth is just a part of the material universe changing states. I've read through your chapters again and I guess you just aren't happy with what happens during life on earth, how we need to eat for example (again, just energy conversion, and yes, it can be seen as wrong or evil by our sensitive brains and conscience we developed over the years). Killing yourself just isn't the solution though. But if you're not happy and convinced of the whole life is evil theory, then I can't help further.

Was an interesting read (read it twice!) 

Take care.

I'm flattered Smile . I think your concept and mine are not so incompatible. I think they are both true and correct. If I were to speak in the same terms you are speaking, I would say that universal energy is the Source of all forms. Something causes the forms and their states, and the changes in states. Call it energy, the source, spirit, or whatever; the name does not matter. The fact is, It is there. That's what I wrote about.

I think life is like a game. I don't agree with the owners and the coaches. I don't like how the game is played. So I'm passing judgement on this game to myself and eventually, it is my goal, to stop playing all together. That's my decision. I accept whatever my teammates decide for themselves and wish them well.

(September 23, 2017 at 3:17 pm)?drfuzzy Wrote:
(September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:



I believe my concept is rooted in facts. A spirit is the non-physical portion of a person,  his or her consciousness. That's a fact.


Nope.  There is no human "soul".  There is no human "spirit".  There is no afterlife.  You start with a false statement.  There is no evidence that there is any non-corporeal form for any living being.  
Non-material things are difficult to perceive because they don't exist.  So new-age philosophical woo just fills in blanks with anything fun.
Religions do lie and blind people.  So does new-age spirituality.  It's just more fun because there is less dogma and control.

I agree with you about New Age crap, but I think you are making a mistake. How do you explain the testimonies of thousands of people that have had life after death experiences? These people where completely brain dead for brief periods of times, but they were conscious and had experiences outside of their bodies.
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An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Athene - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by LadyForCamus - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 14, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 1:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 15, 2017 at 1:16 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 5:02 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 15, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 15, 2017 at 5:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by shadow - September 15, 2017 at 4:21 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 16, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 15, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 8:52 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 8:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Pat Mustard - September 27, 2017 at 10:46 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 22, 2017 at 10:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 23, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 24, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 23, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 23, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 23, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:16 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 4:12 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 24, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 25, 2017 at 12:31 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 1:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 10:54 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 26, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 1:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Pat Mustard - September 26, 2017 at 2:07 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 27, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 25, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by c172 - September 26, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 2:59 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Mr.wizard - September 27, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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