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An alternative to atheist thought
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought
(September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:
(September 22, 2017 at 12:50 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(September 16, 2017 at 2:25 am)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: Obviously true? So, if people may never recognize it without your "help", how obvious could it be?

The problem has to do with a sort of blindfold we have over our reasoning or understanding.   Since very  early in life, We are continuously trained to think in a certain way,  to interpret events in a certain way. This training does not let us see the signs because we've been taught to ignore them.  Take that away and the situation is very obvious.
No, it's not.  What you are calling understanding is mere acceptance.  And what you're calling reasoning is rationalization.  And hindrance we have added to our reasoning and understand has been primarily provided by myths such as religion.

(September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:
(September 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm)SaStrike Wrote: Hi. Are you perhaps going through a rough period in life?

... But I can tell your theory (or concept whichever you prefer) has religious roots, you know, spirits, one god, evil, etc.

You seem to be a kind person.   I'm doing OK in every sense, according to normal standards. Thanks.

I believe my concept is rooted in facts. A spirit is the non-physical portion of a person,  his or her consciousness. That's a fact. Evil is the cause of pain and suffering. We know everybody suffers.  That's a fact. I don't believe in God; however,  there has to be a primordial source in the universe.  You and I have sources:  Our parents.  They had sources,  which each also had a source.  These are all facts.  Let's go back 4 billions years: something produced the earth, and the earth became the source of all life on the planet.  So the earth has a source and is a source also.  Let's go back all the way;  something gave rise to the first source of the material universe:  The Source of all sources.  This is a fact, not religious.  The 1st cause (the one that preceded all of the other causes and effects)  (think of the domino effect) has produced disgusting results,  which we see and experience today. I know to most people it's no problem,  but I don't believe it's right.

You know, it's easy to notice and interact with matter.  Non-material things are more difficult to perceive,  but don't make the mistake of believing  they do not exist.  It would be similar to claiming viruses or bacteria don't exist because we can't see them. I'm not talking about mysticism. There are thousands of cases of brief clinical deaths, where the people that were resuscitated report having experiences outside of their bodies,
This while their brains  and hearts were dead.   This is a fact. Concepts,  ideas,  feelings,  thoughts, awareness,  and the like are non-physical and very important to us.  This is a fact.  Religions lie and blind people.   They seek to control people. Believe me,  I'm not religious.

You're throwing around the word "fact" pretty loosely. It is not a fact there is a primordial source in the universe.  It is not a fact there was a first cause.

Bacteria can be seen. NDEs are crap.  No one has been brought back from being brain dead.

You may say you're not religious, but practically everything you've written is religious, in the broad definition.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Athene - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by LadyForCamus - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 14, 2017 at 8:37 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 14, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 1:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 15, 2017 at 1:16 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 5:02 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 15, 2017 at 1:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 1:20 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 15, 2017 at 11:10 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by chimp3 - September 15, 2017 at 5:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by shadow - September 15, 2017 at 4:21 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 16, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 7:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 15, 2017 at 10:38 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 8:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 14, 2017 at 9:09 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 14, 2017 at 9:24 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Crossless2.0 - September 14, 2017 at 9:54 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by KevinM1 - September 14, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Fireball - September 14, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Neo-Scholastic - September 14, 2017 at 10:07 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Minimalist - September 14, 2017 at 10:15 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Ravenshire - September 14, 2017 at 10:23 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Little lunch - September 14, 2017 at 11:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 1:12 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Javaman - September 15, 2017 at 2:01 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 15, 2017 at 6:00 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Homeless Nutter - September 15, 2017 at 6:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mlmooney89 - September 15, 2017 at 4:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 15, 2017 at 7:25 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 15, 2017 at 5:05 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by c172 - September 15, 2017 at 10:49 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Redbeard The Pink - September 15, 2017 at 10:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 22, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 22, 2017 at 5:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 8:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 10:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 3:29 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Pat Mustard - September 27, 2017 at 10:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 16, 2017 at 2:22 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 16, 2017 at 3:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 18, 2017 at 12:56 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 20, 2017 at 1:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 6:09 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 22, 2017 at 10:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:03 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 23, 2017 at 7:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 24, 2017 at 3:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 23, 2017 at 10:34 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 23, 2017 at 3:26 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 23, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 4:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 23, 2017 at 5:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Angrboda - September 23, 2017 at 7:11 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by drfuzzy - September 23, 2017 at 3:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Brian37 - September 22, 2017 at 1:00 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astreja - September 22, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by LastPoet - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 22, 2017 at 6:15 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 22, 2017 at 7:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 23, 2017 at 4:05 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 23, 2017 at 4:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 23, 2017 at 7:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 24, 2017 at 4:07 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:19 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 24, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 24, 2017 at 4:12 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 24, 2017 at 6:47 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 25, 2017 at 12:31 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 1:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 2:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by ignoramus - September 25, 2017 at 4:36 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Gawdzilla Sama - September 25, 2017 at 10:18 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Silver - September 25, 2017 at 3:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 26, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 1:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Pat Mustard - September 26, 2017 at 2:07 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 27, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 25, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by c172 - September 26, 2017 at 2:19 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 2:59 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Mr.wizard - September 27, 2017 at 11:00 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Mr.wizard - September 27, 2017 at 9:57 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 10:00 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 28, 2017 at 5:08 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 28, 2017 at 12:26 pm

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