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An alternative to atheist thought
RE: An alternative to atheist thought
(September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

(September 26, 2017 at 2:35 pm)Harry Nevis Wrote:
(September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: To me, denying the existence of intelligence in life, or the world, or the universe, or in energy is like denying the presence of coldness in a glass of iced tea that's full of ice.

So, intelligence exists.

We know that everything is made of matter and energy that's constantly changing form.

Logical deduction: intelligence is made of energy and matter.

Also logical deduction: energy and matter have the capacity to take the form of intelligence, and in fact they do.

But you know what? It really does not matter whether it is intelligence, or stupidity, or madness, or evil, or chaos, or something else that is causing the current state of affairs to be what it is. Something is causing our lives, the world, and the whole universe to be what they are. Out of the 7 billion human lives in the world the great majority lives in hardship. Out of the ones that have their material needs met, the majority do not know how to live happily. Whatever is causing all this suffering is not good. It has been doing what it does, for a long time, and it is not going to stop. I believe that even fortunate or privileged people at some time will eventually fall victims to the cruelty of life. That's the idea I want to convey.

Take what you like out of this, or don't take any of it. What we believe or dont believe, or what we understand or fail to understand doesn't change reality. It is what it is (unless we do something about it, of course).

Really?  Is that the only logical deduction?

Yes, life is hardship.  What causes hardship?  The vast majority is caused by ourselves.  The cause of suffering is not good?  Suffering can be very beneficial.  Suffering can be good.  Getting hung up on value judgements and emotions about situations distracts you from the actual situations.  And makes the empty claims of religion sound like they actually make sense.

(September 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: Brain dead people being revived: I have not met anyone personally. I have seen reports on the subject which testify the subjects had no brain activity whatsoever while they still experienced awareness. I believe at least some of those reports are genuine. You don't believe them. We will see...

Then they are playing fast and loose with definitions.  Brain death isn't called until at least 20 minutes of no activity, no breathing, etc.  No one has come back from that.

(September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote: I have high standards! I really do not see a good reason for me or anyone else to have to experience misery, other than "that's just the way life is". Yup, that's the way life is, and it is wrong. I don't think we should put up with it.

Then don't put up with it.  Ever look into the Four Noble Truths?

(September 26, 2017 at 12:32 am)BlindedWantsToSee Wrote:
(September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm)Cyberman Wrote: Sitchin? Seriously? You really think we don't know about that crank?

He's not the only author on the subject. I think he is easy to understand. The point is that the ancient culture of Summer has left a written account of how human beings came to be. I think their account is true or mostly true because it is consistent with everything we know. 6,000 years ago they described the whole solar system, the various planets, asteroid field, DNA and chromosomes, aerodynamics, weapons of mass destruction/nuclear weapons, helicopters, and other scientific knowledge accurately. Humans could not obtain that knowledge on their own that at that time. The writings say that all of this knowledge was brought there by the alien people that came. I have no reason to doubt this information.

I think you want to believe this so badly, that you're ignoring the fact that cannot stand up to the slightest critical review.
"The last superstition of the human mind is the superstition that religion in itself is a good thing."  - Samuel Porter Putnam
 
           

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An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by brewer - September 14, 2017 at 8:31 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 14, 2017 at 8:33 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Athene - September 14, 2017 at 8:34 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by The Grand Nudger - September 14, 2017 at 8:39 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 14, 2017 at 8:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 14, 2017 at 10:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Losty - September 14, 2017 at 10:17 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 1:10 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 1:59 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Joods - September 16, 2017 at 3:46 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 15, 2017 at 1:42 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 15, 2017 at 4:16 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 15, 2017 at 4:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 15, 2017 at 4:48 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 15, 2017 at 6:46 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 16, 2017 at 2:25 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 22, 2017 at 12:50 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 3:28 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 22, 2017 at 7:27 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 9:39 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 7:46 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Succubus - September 25, 2017 at 8:18 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 8:06 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 9:57 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 10:29 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 4:19 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 25, 2017 at 12:31 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 25, 2017 at 10:54 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 2:18 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 11:35 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 3:46 pm
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 3:55 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 25, 2017 at 6:13 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 25, 2017 at 8:53 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by SaStrike - September 26, 2017 at 7:45 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 26, 2017 at 1:29 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Pat Mustard - September 26, 2017 at 2:07 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 26, 2017 at 2:35 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 27, 2017 at 10:02 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Harry Nevis - September 28, 2017 at 10:21 am
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by mordant - September 28, 2017 at 9:10 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by JackRussell - September 25, 2017 at 4:04 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Cyberman - September 25, 2017 at 8:58 pm
RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by BlindedWantsToSee - September 26, 2017 at 12:32 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Whateverist - September 26, 2017 at 2:59 am
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RE: An alternative to atheist thought - by Astonished - September 27, 2017 at 9:52 pm
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