This Has to Stop

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Did I deny he was an atheist? A real atheist? You can stick your No True Scotsman up your ass next to your sense of irony.

Look buddy, I'm applying the EXACT same criteria atheists apply to us. We say someone isn't a christian because they aren't adhering to christian principals, but you don't care anything about that, it's still a no true scotsman...

And Jones was an atheist, disguised in religious garb. What exactly is your point? No True Scotsman doesn't apply if the person you are tarring with it fucking agrees with you that Jones was an atheist. Try to keep up.

Found this in another forum:
https://atheistforums.org/post-1066992.html#pid1066992

You claim you are aware of the atrocities committed, but you want to play the No True Scotsman card to absolve your religion of those same atrocities.

How are you different exactly?

Ripping a sentence out of context is your idea of playing gotcha? You're pathetic.

That remark came from an exchange with Godschild, in which he argued that Western anti-Semitism was largely the result of Darwinian evolution (or at least its misrepresentation in the popular mind) and that it hadn't really been a significant fixture in Western culture prior to the 19th Century. I pointed out that Christian anti-Semitism -- based in large part on the fourth Gospel's portrait of "the Jews" and their role in Jesus' death -- had a long and ignoble history well before Darwin. It was in that context that I wrote the single sentence you quote because he wanted to have it both ways: acknowledge that pre-19th Century anti-Semitic atrocities happened but not own them as specifically Christian atrocities, which they clearly were, since the motivation behind much of it involved the belief that Jews were Christ killers.

That you can't tell the difference doesn't surprise me. Here's a clue: not all atheists are Marxists. Jones was. I'm not. As I said, I'm not a cheerleader for every person who doesn't believe in your imaginary friend. And since Marx isn't Holy Writ for me, I'm under no obligation to embrace as one of my own some crackpot who fancied himself a Marxist. You, on the other hand, are kind of stuck with that fourth Gospel . . .

And there isn't a core message based on atheism, dumbass -- unless pointing out that people like you have imaginary friends is a "core message". Why don't you run Jones's message past the members of this board and see how many atheists respond to his alleged core atheist message? Like it or not, you have more in common with him and his followers than I do.

*emphasis mine*

I didn't say there is A core message based in atheism, I said Jim Jones's core message was based in atheism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Jones

By the early 1970s, Jones began deriding traditional Christianity as "fly away religion", rejecting the Bible as being a tool to oppress women and non-whites, and denouncing a "Sky God" who was no God at all.

Those are the EXACT same points many atheists parrot here.

The oppression of women and non whites

Throughout the Bible, women are consistently described as inferior to men. Women were made by god to make sons and to serve as sex slaves.  Women had less importance and less value than a goat.  The book requires a girl to marry her rapist, after he pays her father for her.  The book gives instruction to fathers on selling their daughters into slavery.  The book of Revelations states that "women MIGHT be saved through child-bearing".  All Abrahamic religions clearly believe that women aren't PEOPLE - and that's what the system is based on.

Also...you do know that American slavery in the South was expressly based on the law of Moses, right?

Like...you do know that, right? Look it up.

I find it... "funny", for the lack of a better word, how black people worship the same god who allowed them to be enslaved. What's worse, he actually ordered they should be enslaved. I'm guessing they'll end up not exactly in the place they were hoping for when they were alive, lol.  

On denouncing a sky God

Should your evil sky daddy actually exist, I would consider it my moral duty to oppose the genocidal psychopath.

It would seem many atheists here already agree with Jim Jones's message.

How many of them are down with Jones's Marxism? That's the question. Atheists not believing in or respecting your Special Book is hardly news.

And you're unutterably boring.