(October 18, 2017 at 3:02 pm)alpha male Wrote:(October 18, 2017 at 2:55 pm)c152 Wrote: That's a matter of perspective
In your scenario, the only perspective is God's, as there are no other real beings with rights.
Quote:and it still doesn't really change anything.
It changes everything.
Quote:You'd still have to prove that "you" as an autonomous being can exist created by such a god.
Not at all. If "me" as an autonomous being can exist with god, then your interpretation of free will is flawed and your argument fails. If "me" as an autonomous being cannot exist with god, then God's actions are not immoral, as there's no "me" with rights. Either way your position fails.
If "me" as an autonomous being can exist created by a god with the attributes you ascribe him then yes, my argument fails which is why I said it in the first place. The point is that you wouldn't know that because your god would always be one step ahead of you no matter what.
And yes, his actions are still immoral by the standards we hold. Isn't it immoral to torture your creations? Just because you created something doesn't give you the right to hurt it according to our modern values. But I see what you're saying so disagree with me if you will, but the only thing you'd achieve in that case is to remove the "immoral" from the argument from your own perspective. I say making people hurt each other one's book is immoral, you say on the basis we've established that it's not.
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