(October 21, 2017 at 11:14 pm)emjay Wrote:Interesting opinion. I know about the "plasticity of the brain" that replaces the "hardwired/static brain" idea; that we are born with a per-defined programming into our heads which theists mostly use to explain human behavior -and I used to use; too-. But a dynamic brain, growing and being developed via "evolutionary stages" and "various experiences" makes sense more and more.(October 21, 2017 at 5:25 pm)AtlasS33 Wrote: ...
The Quran is clean on killing homosexuals; there is not even a single verse. As for God torturing and punishing, gives no right for people to play God and kill and torture, that's a divine right. And God is killing us all the time if you think about it; all of us die.
Makes our life; takes our life.
My bolds
I'm glad there's at least one Muslim out there that seems to agree with me on that point... that one's more than I expected to be perfectly honest, as sad as that is.
As to your views on the cause of homosexuality, I'm of roughly the same opinion (and I'm also bisexual btw); I'm firmly on the nuture... well environment... side of the nature vs nurture debate. In my own case at least, I see it as a developmental disorder, caused by the combination of the inherent plasticity of the brain in all things (including sexuality) and environmental learning during critical times of development. When I was growing up I went down two paths of environmental learning simultaneously, one was the socially validated 'straight' path (finding straight porn mags etc that had been hidden around school by older boys, or ringing the sex chat lines on the back of those mags on the school's payphone as a dare...and getting caught for it
), and the other was the more private... and not socially validated in any way until I came out, if then... gay path. But the point from my perspective is that they're two distinct developmental paths that I followed at the same time, and came out of it bisexual, so it's very clear to me what the cause is from my perspective.
But this is a very sensitive issue with a lot of baggage in all directions, due to how much judgment there is in society around homosexuality, so I've learnt (from discussions on here in fact) that it's not good to generalise. Instead, let everyone speak for themselves, from their own experience, and hold their own views on its cause. All I can do is state what my view is, why it is, and say that IMO it applies to me, but make no assertion that it necessarily applies to others the same way. Save
The school I was in was male only type (Wahhabi-governed), sexuality was a matter of watching porn at home which includes women, and observing feminine boys at school. Which proves the "simultaneous routes" you mentioned and I believe in; and think that both roads meet at "Transexuals"; having both male and female organs.
Guys in my school were more daring to harass other boys sexually. It was when I saw students touching the butts of each other during the prayer time; is when I suspected something fishy about Sunni Islam...
I agree on keeping it to yourself; and getting over the self-righteous phase. I think homosexuality is being picked on because gays are a minority; and humans scored well in the minority-exploiting scale with racism against skin color, xenophobia and other reasons. That's why I keep stressing on this verse from the Quran:
Quote:Sura 27, The Quran:
( 54 ) And [mention] Lot, when he said to his people, "Do you commit immorality while you are seeing?
( 55 ) Do you indeed approach men with desire instead of women? Rather, you are a people behaving ignorantly."
Ancients never had our science and discoveries of the effects of certain sexual actions on the brain.
It's ignorance; not evil. And lots of people fall to ignorance.