(October 31, 2017 at 11:58 am)Joods Wrote:(October 31, 2017 at 9:11 am)Brian37 Wrote: UM NO,
45 did perpetuate the birther crap for 5 years.
Freedom of speech applies to everyone. Even when it's things that we don't like to hear.
Quote:45 did call Mexicans rapists.
Again - see my previous point. We don't have to like what he said nor is what he said right. But it's his right to say it.
Quote:45 did call for a ban on Muslims.
And he's not the only president who has called for any sort of ban on people coming into this country. Furthermore numerous courts all across the country have successfully prevented the so-called ban from even happening.
Quote:45 did shit on the service of McCain and Khan, and La David.
Yep he did and it was ignorant and wrong. Again - freedom of speech still applies to those who say things we hate. Doesn't make it right but if we take away one person's right to free speech, we have to take it away from everyone.
Quote:45 did brag about screwing over investors
And those investors can take him to court and sue him.
Quote:45 did shit on 17 intel agencies because they all agreed Russia was interfering.
Again - he made statements. Those statements in and of themselves aren't indicative of criminal activity.
Quote:45 shit on a judge with no record of impropriety.
Again. Freedom of Speech.
Quote:45 implied threats to political rivals "2nd Amendment"
"implied" threats doesn't mean shit. He's done nothing but make empty threats.
Quote:45 placated the bigoted Charlottesville goons instead of outright condemning them
Yep. The guy is a bigot. What about anything that he said was actually "illegal" in nature? Again - everyone knows what a racist, bigoted, anal-retentive, mother fucker he is. But you can't throw someone in jail for VERBALLY siding with a bunch of neo-nazi's simply because he said something that offended millions of people.
Again - Freedom of Speech.
Quote:45 Called black NFL players "Sons of bitches" for partaking in PEACEFUL protest.
Yep he did that. In a tweet and in a speech. What about it was illegal in nature? AGAIN - nothing he said was ethically or morally right. But his words didn't trounce on anyone's rights to protest. So nothing he said was illegal.
Quote:45 still shits on intel
He shits on many groups. Nothing that he has said has been illegal in nature. What's your point here?
Quote:45 still vilifies our free press whose job it is to be a check on power.
If the owners of television media, newspapers and internet sites feel that he is somehow trampling on their rights or preventing them from reporting the news, they have an option. It's called Taking the POTUS to court. As it stands, right now, I'm able to turn on my tv and watch all the free news I want to. They are still, at this very hour, saying negative things about the POTUS and his cabinet members. So honestly - where are they being prevented from "doing their jobs"?
Quote:There is NO SPECULATION on that list, we have him on camera.
That doesn't make anything that he said illegal. It just makes it so that he can't deny what he said.
Quote:50 former REPUBLICAN law agents warned us LAST YEAR of what his presidency could do.
No sorry, he is not simply "telling it like it is". 45 is actively and repeatedly assaulting our concepts of checks on power and bullying anyone who dares challenge his power. He is no victim, he is a selfish opportunist out for power. He is unfit for office PERIOD!
He is UNFIT for all the reasons above just on ethics alone. Political vilification and scapegoating are the acts of a dictator/despot, not the behavior of a western leader.
I'm not taking his side, believe me. We all know I can't stand 45. But you act like he's not allowed to say whatever he wants to say and you need to be careful about that because if you want him to shut up, then you have to shut everyone up. One citizen's right to freedom of speech - no matter how much hatred we have for that person - cannot be denied or taken away because then we have to do that to everyone in this country.
He has made ignorant, hateful statements and continues to do so, but that alone doesn't make him a criminal. Has he committed crimes? Probably. But freedom of speech isn't a criminal offense. And that's what my point is here. Every single thing you've claimed above revolves around comments or statements made by trump that he knows he cannot get arrested for.
STOP CONFUSING LEGAL WITH MORAL!
45 is not a private citizen.
He is not now Jerry Springer.
He is not now Rush Limbaugh.
He is not now Howard Stern.
He is not now Bill Maher.
PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RIGHTS AND RESPONSIBILITY.
PLEASE LEARN THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A NO NAME PERSON AND A PERSON IN A SEAT OF POWER.
HUGE FUCKING DIFFERENCE.
HUGE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A PRIVATE CITIZEN AND A SITTING POLITICIAN.
By your logic Hitler had the absolute right running for office and holding office to blame Jews for everything.
LEGAL VS MORAL.........
It was once LEGAL to own slaves. It was once LEGAL to to deny women the right to vote. It was once LEGAL to deny gays the right to marry.
It was BECAUSE sane people told politicians to FUCK OFF, they stopped advocating for oppressive BULLSHIT.
If you think it is ok to use your seat of power to vilify Mexicans. FUCK YOU! If you think it is ok to use your political power to vilify Muslims. FUCK YOU! If you think it is ok to use your political power to vilify LGBT, FUCK YOU! If you think it is ok to your your political power to vilify the free press, FUCK YOU!
WE ARE NOT talking about some reality show here. We are not talking about no name people here. We are not talking about an episode of Jerry Springer. WE ARE TALKING ABOUT A WESTERN LEADER USING his position of power to bully others who question him.
No sorry, if you think that is ok, then yea, I got a problem with you too.
I am FOR free speech. i will never however, be for politicians using their power to silence dissent.