(November 3, 2017 at 12:52 am)Transcended Dimensions Wrote:It isn't a hedonistic "good" unless -you- enjoy being tortured, lol.(November 2, 2017 at 11:17 pm)Khemikal Wrote: Truth and knowledge are synonyms in the context of a philosophic discussion. I was trying to express to you that throwing a fit about there being no way to determine truth in response to being shown that your premise is self defeating..and thus, not true...is pointless.
You employ non hedonistic values every day, instinctively and by conditioning. That employment gives most of us pleasure, meanwhile - the hedonists paradox tells us that the best way to seek pleasure isn't hedonism.
Even if my worldview created a world where criminals broke into my home and felt positive emotions from torturing me since it was the good thing to do, then that would still be a good thing and I would still not object to my worldview.
Quote: Why do I go to such great lengths? It's because of my personal experience which is so powerful and profound that it literally prevents me from changing this worldview and, as I've explained earlier, it would require a whole new personal experience to change this worldview. I'm not sure if such a personal experience is out there waiting for me. But I do keep an open mind. The very idea of something like that being a good thing might make my worldview and thus, hedonism itself, look blatantly false.It makes your worldview something other than hedonism.
Quote:But I still don't think so because it would be no different than saying that, since needing a heart to live would result in so many people having heart attacks and causing grief to their loved ones, then needing a heart to live would have to be false. This is an analogy for my worldview which is says that, since needing our positive emotions to judge things as good in our lives would create a world where it is a good thing for criminals to harm others, then needing our positive emotions to judge things as good would have to be false. As you can see here, we all have needs as human beings. Just because such needs result in grief, suffering, harm, damage, and chaos in this world does not dismiss such needs as being false.I can dismiss "such needs" as "good" from a hedonistic point of view.
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