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New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it
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RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it
(November 5, 2017 at 3:50 am)Odoital77 Wrote: If there is no God, then there is no moral accountability for our actions.  The actions of every person feeding the homeless or caring for an orphaned child would ultimately end up the same as those of the child molester and murderer.  Nothing is truly punished, nothing rewarded, and nothing redeemed in the absence of God. So no, not a stretch at all. As far as your other comment regarding “super ultra mega ultimate meaning”, all I can say is that all of the meaning that can be had is only had via the existence of God.
 

Let me tell you a story.
Humans are a social species.
Many other social species exist on this planet and they all possess some sort of intuition towards the caring of their own social group.
Over the ages, such intuition has been selected for, as the non-social individuals failed to breed while the friendlier ones successfully did so. With this, you obtain a population that is mostly comprised of individuals who have what we call empathy for their social buddies.
Humans have, for the most part, that empathy for each other. Some of us can even extend it beyond our social group to the whole world's population, to some extent.

If your actions are not those of an empathic human being, your social group will classify you as dangerous.... we usually describe such people as sociopathic or psychopathic.
You would immediately find that your "ultimate meaning" lies not in some otherworldly entity, but in your fellow humans and the group that they wish to keep healthy, cohesive, and peaceful.

With the growth of human groups, the development of cities and the belonging to groups that encompass strangers, the empathy towards these strangers seems, from a rational (but not by much) point of view, misplaced.
The concept of god has hence been hijacked to provide people with the sense that all individuals in that extended group deserve your empathy. And that is the thing you're employing, now.
I seriously doubt that, were you to one day find yourself disbelieving in the existence of any god, you'd turn sociopath.
You are merely rationalizing being empathic towards others within the framework of the extended group.
In itself, this rationalization is not a bad thing. I think some people would really be sociopaths, if not for their perception that an omniscient being is keeping them in check. But most would not. Most people would go on with their lives being as "good" as they were before, because what counts is that warm fuzzy feeling of helping others - empathy.
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RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aoi Magi - November 3, 2017 at 2:09 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by brewer - November 3, 2017 at 6:34 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 3, 2017 at 7:31 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Joods - November 3, 2017 at 7:54 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Losty - November 3, 2017 at 8:10 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by brewer - November 3, 2017 at 8:50 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Sal - November 3, 2017 at 9:17 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 3, 2017 at 10:11 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by AFTT47 - November 4, 2017 at 2:58 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by mordant - November 4, 2017 at 3:39 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 4, 2017 at 5:08 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 5, 2017 at 7:41 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Joods - November 5, 2017 at 8:52 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by SaStrike - November 3, 2017 at 3:20 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 3, 2017 at 11:19 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Fireball - November 3, 2017 at 11:37 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 3, 2017 at 11:34 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 3, 2017 at 11:44 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 3, 2017 at 11:50 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Fireball - November 4, 2017 at 1:51 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KevinM1 - November 4, 2017 at 2:35 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KevinM1 - November 4, 2017 at 3:05 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 4, 2017 at 3:30 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 4, 2017 at 4:12 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 4, 2017 at 4:31 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cod - November 4, 2017 at 5:15 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cod - November 4, 2017 at 5:33 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Athene - November 4, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Succubus - November 4, 2017 at 8:03 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cod - November 4, 2017 at 5:42 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by LastPoet - November 4, 2017 at 5:56 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 4, 2017 at 7:22 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 4, 2017 at 7:30 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by brewer - November 4, 2017 at 8:43 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by c152 - November 4, 2017 at 11:07 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by brewer - November 4, 2017 at 1:05 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by c152 - November 4, 2017 at 1:51 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by pocaracas - November 5, 2017 at 8:00 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 5, 2017 at 9:18 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 5, 2017 at 10:30 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Succubus - November 6, 2017 at 4:51 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 4, 2017 at 3:04 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 4, 2017 at 3:12 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by mordant - November 4, 2017 at 3:57 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 4, 2017 at 4:08 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Aroura - November 5, 2017 at 4:00 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by mordant - November 5, 2017 at 2:33 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 5, 2017 at 6:27 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 5, 2017 at 6:37 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 6, 2017 at 8:24 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by curiosne - November 5, 2017 at 11:45 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 6, 2017 at 2:08 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 6, 2017 at 8:27 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KittyAnn - November 6, 2017 at 9:37 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 6, 2017 at 10:17 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KittyAnn - November 6, 2017 at 10:31 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 6, 2017 at 10:33 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KittyAnn - November 6, 2017 at 10:45 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Cyberman - November 6, 2017 at 11:19 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KittyAnn - November 6, 2017 at 11:34 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Fireball - November 6, 2017 at 11:28 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 28, 2017 at 6:52 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Athene - November 28, 2017 at 7:03 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 28, 2017 at 7:12 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Athene - November 28, 2017 at 7:28 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by pocaracas - November 28, 2017 at 7:36 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 28, 2017 at 7:42 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by pocaracas - November 29, 2017 at 3:35 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Succubus - November 28, 2017 at 7:44 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 28, 2017 at 7:54 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by curiosne - November 28, 2017 at 9:22 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 29, 2017 at 1:26 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Joods - November 28, 2017 at 7:53 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KevinM1 - November 28, 2017 at 9:43 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Fireball - November 28, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KevinM1 - November 29, 2017 at 2:02 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by KevinM1 - November 30, 2017 at 2:10 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Succubus - November 28, 2017 at 9:20 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Lek - November 29, 2017 at 5:34 pm
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Minimalist - November 29, 2017 at 12:26 am
RE: New atheist here, gotta say, not loving it - by Amarok - November 30, 2017 at 1:18 am

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