RE: One sentence that throws the problem of evil out of the window.
November 7, 2017 at 12:47 pm
(This post was last modified: November 7, 2017 at 12:48 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(November 7, 2017 at 11:38 am)Cyberman Wrote:(November 7, 2017 at 10:04 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: To be fair, he didn't say it doesn't matter. He said a limited time of suffering is worth the eternal happiness that will come after it.
Yes I know, I acknowledged that. My "those things don't matter" was in response to you, not him. Clearly in the grand scheme of things human suffering doesn't matter to anyone but us. But could you look an abused child in the face and tell it with any degree of sincerity that its suffering is worth it in the end?
It's not the suffering specifically that's worth it in the end. It's his existance as a human being. Our existance comes with enduring some suffering in this world (for some more than others), but it also comes with eternal happiness in the next. For that, our existance is worth it. It wouldn't be better to never have existed.
Then comes the question of why suffering exists in the first place, and that's a whole other topic that I think we were just talking about in a different thread recently.
(November 7, 2017 at 11:46 am)Mathilda Wrote: Imagine a being that harvested humans, kept them in cramped conditions so they couldn't even properly stand up so they developed sores around their body. Force fed them to grow really quickly then slaughtered them by slicing their throats and hanging them upside down so the blood poured out, or crushing them alive, and then ate their bodies and wore their skin. You'd consider such a being evil, but it's no different to what we do to other animals.
Christians only seem to accept something as evil if it's done by a human to another human. Otherwise it's animal behaviour.
For the record, I don't think it's right to treat animals inhumanely before slaughter. With that being said, I don't think it's immoral for a lion, or bear, or wolf or whatever it is to eat us.
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