(November 21, 2017 at 11:31 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(November 21, 2017 at 11:27 am)Grandizer Wrote: Lack of conscience means they lack that intuition that tells them what is right and wrong. And no, legally, he wasn't innocent nor should he have been found as such. One need not be fully in control of their own actions in order to be held responsible for what they do.
But they learn it from the world, even if they don't feel a moral compass inside themselves. Clearly, an adult in the US knows it's illegal to break into someone's house and murder a pregnant woman and her husband. You'd have to be severely mentally ill or mentally handicapped to not know that.
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I think Manson got exactly what was appropriate. Life in prison where he couldn't hurt anyone else.
(November 21, 2017 at 11:22 am)Rev. Rye Wrote: Actually, it seems that a good part of their plan was to create a false flag operation because they thought they killed Bernard "Lotsapoppa" Crowe, a drug dealer with connections to the Black Panthers (in reality, said dealer not only survived to testify against Manson, he's apparently still alive, and the thing about the Black Panthers was a colossal bluff) and decided to A) cover their own tracks, and B) start up the "Helter Skelter" scenario they thought was supposed to happen earlier in the year.
Looks like they were all competent enough to understand what they were doing.
He absolutely belonged where he could not harm anyone, but schizophrenics cannot tell what is real from what is not, let alone right from wrong.
I don't know how crazy you think a person needs to be before they can't tell right from wrong. If that was an accurate diagnosis, he absolutely was not "at fault", even if he still needed to be held accountable for the reason of public safety.
Quote:Schizophrenia is a mental disorder characterized by abnormal social behavior and failure to understand what is real. Common symptoms include false beliefs, unclear or confused thinking, hearing voices that others do not hear, reduced social engagement and emotional expression, and a lack of motivation.
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