RE: List of reasons to believe God exists?
December 7, 2017 at 2:09 pm
(This post was last modified: December 7, 2017 at 2:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(December 7, 2017 at 2:03 pm)Grandizer Wrote: I don't understand Tizheruk's second sentence, but as for the first sentence, I don't see it as absurd. I don't necessarily fully agree with harm-based morality, but it is objective in the sense that if there is harm involved, then it's not a good thing. Harm, bad. No harm, not bad. Objective morality need not be grounded in a person, it can be grounded in concepts such as pain or harm. But I think harm-based system does pose a problem in that the perception of harm itself is subjective to the person upon which the supposed harmful action is being inflicted on.A misapprehension of harm based moralities. Harm based moral realism accepts that there are people who either fail to recognize that they are doing harm or do not think of what they are doing -as- harm. Their perception thereof is not what a harm based moral realism derives from. That -would- be a subjective morality. It works the other way as well...there are people who think that some x is harmful (homosex, lol)...but this perception is -also- not what a harm based moral realism derives from.
Quote:Some people may not be harmed by the stuff other people say, but the same stuff could harm others. So is it bad for the latter group of people, but not the former? I don't know.Easy, if it doesn't cause harm to the person it's not immoral..but if that comment reasonably would cause harm to others it's best to keep it to ones self. We understand this perfectly well..and it expresses itself as how we talk to our best friends in private vs how we talk to strangers in public.
Quote:I'm clearly not a moral philosopher, so I don't wish to speak with authority on this matter, but what would be absurd is to attribute morality to God when God has no clear say in the matter ... because he's not out there telling us what is morally right and what is morally wrong, no moral system given from him to us.That would simply be a system of divine command. Not necessarily an objective system,...but if it did conform to an objective moral framework it's authority would derive from it's objectivity rather than it's divinity - in the opinion of a moral realist.
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