(December 7, 2017 at 6:51 pm)LadyForCamus Wrote:If I asked 6 atheists, I would have the same problem. Yet, I do understand there is a BIG difference between someone saying, "There is no god" and someone saying, "There is a God". The burden of proof is on the ones whom say there is. It's great that people like you challenge them.(December 7, 2017 at 12:10 pm)Drich Wrote: How does God describe Himself? Does He use the "omni-aspects of God the Church uses?" Omni present omniopotent omni benevolent?? NO!I'll tell you what, Drich. Once you and the other theists on this forum finally come to a consensus on what god is and what he isn't, and who the true Christian out of the lot of you is, then we can talk. How do you expect atheists to take your claims seriously when you guys can't even get on the same page with each other? Do you realize that if asked you, Neo, CL, RR, Steve and Rik each to define god and describe his attributes, I'd likely get six difference answers? This is a problem, lol.
God simply describes Himself as Alpha and Omega the beginning and end to all things, in another part of the OT he says He is "The Great I am."
So what do these two things mean together or seperate?
Alpha and Omega means there is nothing great stronger or before God. this not only includes physical things but principles and or rule/ calls to judgement. Omega kinda the same meaning but on the other end of the book case end. it means nothing is greater after nothing has the last word, His word His decision is final nothing will ever superseded or change what He says.
Now marry that idea with "The Great I Am"
And you have not an Omni-max god because the idea of an omni-max God ties God to the rules of an omni max God. (which is why small minds like epicrus can come up with paradoxes.) Because God has shown in the bible he does not follow what an omni max God could or would do. This means God is not omni max but an alpha and omega. Meaning God is what God wants to be when he wants to be it. Can God create a stone so big He could not lift it? Omni-max God=paradox. Alpha and Omega/Great I am= Yes if He wanted to no if He did not.
Same goes to what does not make sense to you. If God wanted to do "X" then God would do "X" if God did not want to do "X" then God would not have to.
https://atheistforums.org/thread-13378.html
And if God sits someone next to you, or sends someone like me?
What if God is not confined to "speaking to you" in the way you expect to see Him, could you would you be able to recognize His voice?
As far as "attributes", that is a theological argument that has been going on for years and it is stupid! Even worse, is they give prescriptions for life based on their erroneous theological genius of God's attributes beyond anything the bible even says! And, some people glad hand them and say, "Great message today pastor". It would funny if it wasn't so sad.