(December 11, 2017 at 3:46 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote:(December 11, 2017 at 2:02 am)Godscreated Wrote: You're making a statement to a statement that was not implied. I know what Jesus said wouldn't eliminate the hour of being imminent, the fact that it hasn't yet come shows it wasn't imminent. Before you quote the verse where Jesus says that this generation will not pass away is referring to the church not the end of time. If you do not study all the NT and find out what Jesus was referring to in the other verses then you will have no idea of what He is teaching. Repeating what you hear or what you find on the web that's written by nonbelievers doesn't count as a study nor does it prove anything since these very people are out to do one thing, only disprove the Bible.
What you are doing is reinterpreting the bible to suit the facts. Of course you must necessarily do that otherwise the bible has no meaning. I prefer Occam's razor. The bible has no meaning. I do not need to repeat what others have said. I have read the NT no less than 3 times. I still could not find the coherence, consistency and meaning that I was looking for.
My first response to what you said was to laugh a bit, an atheist who knows nothing about the Bible telling a Christian who has studied it for years with some very intelligent people that he is reinterpreting what the Bible says, it's just laughable.
Then the next thing you say is just out of complete ignorance. I necessarily have to make the Bible a lie, so it will have meaning. Nothing that is a lie has meaning and is worthless, period. I search for the truth in the scriptures to find out what is contained within them. I've flown on airplanes several times an I'm still not a pilot, so why would reading the NT over make you aware of the truth it contains, study with those who have found the truth and you might just find the importance contained within it's pages. Your problem with reading the Bible is you have preconceived ideas of what it should have for you, I can tell you that it doesn't work that way, you read it to find out what is required of you and how to meet those requirements.
Quote: No there are things happening today that didn't and couldn't happen in that time. I haven't read that book and I do not need to I have the Bible to get all the information I need to understand. You're right He hasn't come, but it will be sooner than many think and later than others think. The time for this to happen belongs to the Father and it will not happen till that time.
Like I said that would be a question for those that were living in that time and I've said that that time will never come. I have never nor will I ever question that the return of Christ will happen and as I've said it will when the Father tells Christ it is time to return.
GC
BBZ Wrote:A thought experiment is rather simple actually. All you have to do is close your eyes, imaging that it is the year 100,000 and Christ has not returned. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about your religion? Why has he not returned? Time to give it all up???
I fill that speculation is just that speculation it holds no truth nor reality, I deal in both of those. Wishing and pretending is for the foolish. Christianity is the only way of real life and why, because it leads to eternal life, everything outside of it leads to eternal punishment. Like I said the Father hasn't told Christ that the hour has come for His return, I'm not God so I couldn't tell you what His reasons for the eventual return of Christ is, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Christ will becoming soon.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
