RE: What would it take?
December 12, 2017 at 3:47 am
(This post was last modified: December 12, 2017 at 3:54 am by Bow Before Zeus.)
(December 11, 2017 at 5:03 pm)Drich Wrote: Let's say...
You ask a question based in the star wars galaxy. Lets pretend you ask "what makes a light saber's lazer beam solid when struck by another light saber?" Then I give an answer in accordance to star wars cannon. "Kaber Crystals turn light energy into a controllable solid plasma. " You may then say "Science" says plasma is not a solid it is a meta physical state of matter that lives between energy and gas.
Now I am pointing out that is an intellectually lazy response on your part as when you ask a "star wars question" you have to preclude or accept the Star Wars cannon as the ultimate authority, inorder to even ask the question. Let alone receive an answer.
The same is true with your OP You asked a canonical based Question about the nature of God, and Got a canonical response. you then can't honestly side step the answer you got because it was based on cannon, BECAUSE YOUR F-ING QUESTION WAS ALSO BASED ON CANNON!!! IF you ask a cannon based question then by defaut you accept a canonical answer.
Hence me calling you a moron.
Not a personal attack, just a intellectual observation. You want to seem "smart" but default to logical fallacy to obtain your status which is the opposite of what you think you have obtained.
Ok, you're a very angry person, I get that. But here I must draw the line. So let me start drawing.
I asked, since your pathetic little god-being had not returned "imminently" like he supposedly said he would, what it would take before you would give up your pathetic little religion. Your response was to threaten that nobody escapes judgement much like a voodoo witchdoctor would threaten that I am going to die by shaking a bone at me. What would I do in that situation? Laugh in the witchdoctor's face! I have shown restraint in not laughing at you and have politely asked you to partake in a thought experiment that you are clearly not capable of understanding.
On many levels I could turn around and call you a complete moron. Firstly for not understanding purpose of a thought experiment and secondly for believing the scribblings of iron age goat-herders but I have shown great restraint in not doing so.
You sit there with the intellect of a witch-doctor calling me a moron. It seems to be a pattern of behaviour that xtians here seem to engage in. A similar accusation was thrown at my daughters by another xtian poster. Young women that are studying degrees that would completely befuddle you and the other xtian poster. My family is a family of engineers and scientists. We are the high priests and gods of the modern era. We create machines that would seem like magic to the primitive goat-herders that wrote the bible. We create the modern society that you live in. We build the buildings, the cars, the planes, the bridges, the computers, almost every aspect of modern society. We are in the process of creating life in the lab and sentient machines and becoming an interplanetary species. This is what scientists and engineers do. Not theologians, not religious nutters, but educates, intelligent people. This is what intelligence is, not waving a witchdoctor's bone and someone and accusing them of being a moron.
So instead of throwing accusations at people, why don't you learn how to build stuff for modern society? And before you start calling people something that you are guilty of, put your science, engineering or medical degree on the table first. You would have to come out of your trailer park, earn a decent living, afford to go to university and of course have the intellect to be able to complete the degree in the first place. None of which I would wager you are capable of.
PS One of the posters has noted it but you still don't get it so let me spell it out for you. It's canon, not cannon. You are illiterate as well. Just stating a fact here.
(December 12, 2017 at 1:29 am)Godscreated Wrote:(December 11, 2017 at 3:46 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: What you are doing is reinterpreting the bible to suit the facts. Of course you must necessarily do that otherwise the bible has no meaning. I prefer Occam's razor. The bible has no meaning. I do not need to repeat what others have said. I have read the NT no less than 3 times. I still could not find the coherence, consistency and meaning that I was looking for.
My first response to what you said was to laugh a bit, an atheist who knows nothing about the Bible telling a Christian who has studied it for years with some very intelligent people that he is reinterpreting what the Bible says, it's just laughable.
Then the next thing you say is just out of complete ignorance. I necessarily have to make the Bible a lie, so it will have meaning. Nothing that is a lie has meaning and is worthless, period. I search for the truth in the scriptures to find out what is contained within them. I've flown on airplanes several times an I'm still not a pilot, so why would reading the NT over make you aware of the truth it contains, study with those who have found the truth and you might just find the importance contained within it's pages. Your problem with reading the Bible is you have preconceived ideas of what it should have for you, I can tell you that it doesn't work that way, you read it to find out what is required of you and how to meet those requirements.
The bible was meant to be taken literally by the writers. We look at it today and laugh at the ignorance of the writers. Your analogy with the plane is erroneous. I will tell you why I can read the bible and see no meaning in it. It only requires basic comprehension to find meaning. I have read Shakespeare and Plato and many other texts and find meaning. The bible has none. You can pontificate on this point all you want. Facts are facts.
Quote:Quote: No there are things happening today that didn't and couldn't happen in that time. I haven't read that book and I do not need to I have the Bible to get all the information I need to understand. You're right He hasn't come, but it will be sooner than many think and later than others think. The time for this to happen belongs to the Father and it will not happen till that time.
Like I said that would be a question for those that were living in that time and I've said that that time will never come. I have never nor will I ever question that the return of Christ will happen and as I've said it will when the Father tells Christ it is time to return.
GC
BBZ Wrote:A thought experiment is rather simple actually. All you have to do is close your eyes, imaging that it is the year 100,000 and Christ has not returned. How do you feel about that? How do you feel about your religion? Why has he not returned? Time to give it all up???
I fill that speculation is just that speculation it holds no truth nor reality, I deal in both of those. Wishing and pretending is for the foolish. Christianity is the only way of real life and why, because it leads to eternal life, everything outside of it leads to eternal punishment. Like I said the Father hasn't told Christ that the hour has come for His return, I'm not God so I couldn't tell you what His reasons for the eventual return of Christ is, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Christ will becoming soon.
GC
I can tell you with absolute certainty that he is not returning. The difference with my statement and yours is that mine is based on simple observation. Yours is based on fantasy. Which one do you think will come to pass?