(December 12, 2017 at 3:47 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote:(December 12, 2017 at 1:29 am)Godscreated Wrote: My first response to what you said was to laugh a bit, an atheist who knows nothing about the Bible telling a Christian who has studied it for years with some very intelligent people that he is reinterpreting what the Bible says, it's just laughable.
Then the next thing you say is just out of complete ignorance. I necessarily have to make the Bible a lie, so it will have meaning. Nothing that is a lie has meaning and is worthless, period. I search for the truth in the scriptures to find out what is contained within them. I've flown on airplanes several times an I'm still not a pilot, so why would reading the NT over make you aware of the truth it contains, study with those who have found the truth and you might just find the importance contained within it's pages. Your problem with reading the Bible is you have preconceived ideas of what it should have for you, I can tell you that it doesn't work that way, you read it to find out what is required of you and how to meet those requirements.
The bible was meant to be taken literally by the writers. We look at it today and laugh at the ignorance of the writers. Your analogy with the plane is erroneous. I will tell you why I can read the bible and see no meaning in it. It only requires basic comprehension to find meaning. I have read Shakespeare and Plato and many other texts and find meaning. The bible has none. You can pontificate on this point all you want. Facts are facts.
The only fact you have given is that you have read, if you have read Plato and Shakespeare and found some eternal meaning you are the one who is reinterpreting what you read. The Bible offers a hope that nothing else can and that's because it comes from the One who can give hope. You are rejecting the One who first loved you and gave His life for you before you were born, why that doesn't move you is beyond me.
Quote: I feel that speculation is just that speculation it holds no truth nor reality, I deal in both of those. Wishing and pretending is for the foolish. Christianity is the only way of real life and why, because it leads to eternal life, everything outside of it leads to eternal punishment. Like I said the Father hasn't told Christ that the hour has come for His return, I'm not God so I couldn't tell you what His reasons for the eventual return of Christ is, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Christ will becoming soon.
GC
BBZ Wrote:I can tell you with absolute certainty that he is not returning. The difference with my statement and yours is that mine is based on simple observation. Yours is based on fantasy. Which one do you think will come to pass?
Mine because it's based on the word of the God who created us. Your observations, what observations, you expect me to believe you have a knowledge that no one else does. That's like me going to the bus stop to catch the bus and you observed it leaving and you have no idea of which bus I'm looking to take. You make statements without knowing what you are looking for. You make a lot of noise but have shown me nothing to make me believe that Christ isn't going to return, your arguments are weak at best and in reality they are nonexistent.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.