(December 12, 2017 at 4:32 am)Godscreated Wrote:(December 12, 2017 at 3:47 am)Bow Before Zeus Wrote: The bible was meant to be taken literally by the writers. We look at it today and laugh at the ignorance of the writers. Your analogy with the plane is erroneous. I will tell you why I can read the bible and see no meaning in it. It only requires basic comprehension to find meaning. I have read Shakespeare and Plato and many other texts and find meaning. The bible has none. You can pontificate on this point all you want. Facts are facts.
The only fact you have given is that you have read, if you have read Plato and Shakespeare and found some eternal meaning you are the one who is reinterpreting what you read.
There is no such thing as "eternal meaning". There is no such thing as "eternity". These are part of your mythology, not part of observable fact. Nothing stays the same, nothing lasts forever.
Quote: The Bible offers a hope that nothing else can and that's because it comes from the One who can give hope. You are rejecting the One who first loved you and gave His life for you before you were born, why that doesn't move you is beyond me.
It does not move me because it does not exist. What exists is the wonder of the world and universe around us. That moves me. To love, to be lost in the music, to watch a play, an opera, these things have the power to move me. They exist albeit in tiny moment of existence but they can be experienced.
Quote:Quote: I feel that speculation is just that speculation it holds no truth nor reality, I deal in both of those. Wishing and pretending is for the foolish. Christianity is the only way of real life and why, because it leads to eternal life, everything outside of it leads to eternal punishment. Like I said the Father hasn't told Christ that the hour has come for His return, I'm not God so I couldn't tell you what His reasons for the eventual return of Christ is, I can tell you with absolute certainty that Christ will becoming soon.
GC
BBZ Wrote:I can tell you with absolute certainty that he is not returning. The difference with my statement and yours is that mine is based on simple observation. Yours is based on fantasy. Which one do you think will come to pass?
Mine because it's based on the word of the God who created us. Your observations, what observations, you expect me to believe you have a knowledge that no one else does. That's like me going to the bus stop to catch the bus and you observed it leaving and you have no idea of which bus I'm looking to take. You make statements without knowing what you are looking for. You make a lot of noise but have shown me nothing to make me believe that Christ isn't going to return, your arguments are weak at best and in reality they are nonexistent.
GC
I observe that christ has not returned for over 2,000 years despite the constant predictions of his return. I observe that wine and bread cannot literally turn into blood and flesh. I observe that the world is 4.3 billion years old. I observe that our universe is over 14 billions years old. I observe the fact of evolution. I observe facts that contradict pretty much everything that is in an iron-age text written by goat-herders.
My arguments are strong. You just can't see them because you have been blinded.
