Men's Rights Movement

[CapnAwesome]

Given the history of oppression against women, CL, I doubt it's as simple as all that. Remember, white guys hated us more than black people, whom the white-wigged white guys really hated. So much so, that we only got the vote in the last century. There's no denying the oppression's there.

I get that theres been a lot of oppression in the past, but we are talking about today.

I feel like there aren't more women CEO's or whatever because less women than men are interested in that sort of thing, and/or they put more priority in motherhood. It's faulty to point to the lack of women in high powered career fields and assume it's because women aren't given the same opportunity simply for being female.

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5% Catholiclady, not 35%, not 30%. I think that the explanation given for the wage gap, but it's a totally unsatisfactory one for the leadership gap. Oh, women don't want to be ceos, they'd much rather breastfeed. What nonsense. The women who want to be CEOs are a self selecting group, just like the men who want to, and there is probably little crossover between them and stay at home mommies.

Plus, if it's all about egalitarianism like MRAs claim, then men can take care of the kids and the number would be more even, not less. Their arguments are shit and not even consistent, like that one.

They can decide if they want to copy feminism or just nay say everything. Because they have no philosophical leg to stand on.

Why is that nonesense? You think being a mom is less dignified and less fulfilling? What do you think then is the reason? You think women are being unfairly discriminated against in the work force?

I don't think there's anything alarming about the 5% number. There are very few women pilots as well (5%, actually), and it's not because they aren't allowed to be or because sexism is holding them back. Some jobs are just more male orientated and/or require a lot of time and dedication that many women don't prioritize because they are mothers.

First off, I absolutely never said anything bad about stay at home mom's. To say that I did is misleading and an attempt to change the subject.

I don't think the desire to be a stay at home mom could possibly coordinate with the 5% number. I don't think it has much effect on it at all, since the two groups just don't cross over. The type of people driven to become a CEO are not the same type who want to stay at home to raise kids.

That's why it's nonsense. It's like saying men don't make good CEOs because some of them are frat boys who play video games a lot. Those arent the type of people they are looking for. Now being a stay at home mom is a lot more admirable than that, they aren't the type of people they are looking for. They just aren't the same group of people. So I don't think it really effects it at all. But even if you took every single stay at home mom out of the equation, the 5% number is insane. MRAs originally crafted that argument you just made to explain the wage gap, which is about 23% but the CEO gap is 95% This is so lazy of MRAs to just reuse an argument when it doesn't even apply in any sense to the CEO gap.

Also you can't say women wouldn't make as good of CEOs. We know that women led companies actually out perform male led ones slightly. http://www.thebalance.com/why-women-led-...ks-4147472

Also it's not all about overt sexism, i.e. someone isn't hired because of gender, but how many female pilots do little girls see as an example?

What does just more make oriented even mean? You think women, with all the same training can't fly a plane as good as men for unspecified biological reasons? These are the sort of claims that MRAs make all the time, but because it's not an intellectual or academic group, unlike feminism, it's just not backed up by much at all.

P.S. The reason there are less female CEOs is sexism, I mean, obviously. Most of these boards of directors are guys who grew up in the 1970s, when it was still all but legal to beat your wife. http://www.encyclopedia.com/social-scien...c-violence

It would be totally crazy to deny there is sexism in that environment.