RE: Men's Rights Movement
December 20, 2017 at 11:30 pm
(This post was last modified: December 20, 2017 at 11:39 pm by Shell B.)
(December 20, 2017 at 7:18 pm)Neo-Scholastic Wrote:(December 20, 2017 at 5:52 pm)Shell B Wrote: Given the history of oppression against women, CL, I doubt it's as simple as all that. Remember, white guys hated us more than black people, whom the white-wigged white guys really hated. So much so, that we only got the vote in the last century. There's no denying the oppression's there.
IMHO women are oppressed more by their biology than by evil men trying to keep women in their place. One could argue that the misguided efforts of many good men, in their desire to protect their women and children, resulted in inadvertent oppression. Times were different and I'm very reluctant to demonize people that lived before penicillin was discovered and latex invented. Rather than being a complete evil motivated by the desire to dominate, maybe patriarchy actually served a necessary purpose in past societies in which war, famine, and disease were daily threats. People, both men and women, had different sensibilities that seemed entirely reasonable to them, but to us sound oppressive - like being forced to marry the woman you knocked up. Perhaps someday, maybe sooner rather than later, people will consider it an act of oppression to knock up a women and NOT marry her.
I'm not buying it. We're in the first generation or two where it's actually not okay or totally ignored when you beat the shit out of your wife.
(December 20, 2017 at 9:03 pm)Thena323 Wrote: I have absolutely zero interest in mollifying those who insist on defining feminism by its fringe elements. So I will continue to support mainstream feminist efforts and causes, and thus will continue to identify as a feminist.
I also refuse to re-package my support of feminism by summarily shooing it under the vaguely generic umbrella of egalitarianism, due to the fact that every time I hear someone cawwing "Feminism Bad...Egalitarianism More Appropriate!" it immediately brings to mind the charmingly DISMISSIVE exclamations of "buh..bu...bu...But...ALL Lives Matter, don't they?!" in response to protests over police shootings.
Yeah...We all know this, dipshits.
In context, "egalitarianism" is a bullshit, cop-out term tossed around by those who are disinterested in really getting to the heart of a given matter; a cheap, meaningless concession offered up with the intent of shutting legitimate feminist dialogue down.
"Feminist" is just one of MANY labels which accurately define my worldview. And as a position, it is perfectly reasonable.
I'm not going to be fearful of/shy away from using it, because doing so allows the assholes of the world to succeed in changing the narrative.
Tough titty. People have evolved. You're just selling a "No true feminist" argument that no one has to buy. The day I have a rational conversation with a woman who calls herself a feminist, I might feel differently. Until then, I'm just not going to align with that title, even if I agree with some of the definitions of feminism. I'll never align with an -ism that isn't clearly defined. Feminism isn't.
Edited to add: I want to make it clear that I don't dislike feminists out of hand. I just take umbrage to this post that demonizes anyone who doesn't want the tainted label.