(December 28, 2017 at 5:21 am)AtlasS33 Wrote:As I said there is a reason why I picked that sura. It is considered the last and therefore most important sura. And there is no verse in said sura i know of which advocates peace.(December 28, 2017 at 5:11 am)bennyboy Wrote: The problem is that by supporting your book of fairy tales, you are indirectly supporting those who take it literally enough to do harm to others.
Drop the fairy tale book please, we have enough real problems in the world without contributing to crazy people thinking murder is a holy venture.
I don't agree; no.
You are throwing me with stones, while your house is made out of glass. You share the same religious views with Dahmer and Stalin. But that doesn't make you a serial killer, or a mad dictator.
Your concept is not right.
Furthermore; the world's problems are produced from the immorality of steps and actions like the creation of atomic weapons and WMDs. Religion is not the main problem here; money and economy is.
(December 28, 2017 at 5:12 am)ShirkahnW Wrote: The hiszorical context is irrelevant. The Quran claims to be the true and unchangeable word of God. So the only thing that matters is whats in the Quran and not what historical context it was written in. You are right in saying that muslims were not treated well and that some polytheists broke thier contracts. But that is no excuse to say that you should fight all people of different believes just because they didnt treat muslims very well in the past. The people of today can not be punished for mistakes their ancestors made over a thousand years ago. And I have read the Quran btw. and it is a good book to learn about what was going on at the time and what mohammed rrally thought. But it is a horrendous book to life your life after.
No; it is.
Also the "linguistic" context. The meaning of the author is a must. Even in science and entertainment.
In my reply; I quoted to you the Quran itself. Not a history book, or a historical opinion. When put in the original context, the verse means something totally different than what you suggested.
What about the other verses that advocate peace?
Quote:( 6 ) And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah. Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know.
and this?
Quote:Sura 2, The Quran:
( 190 ) Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors.
And so many other verses?
Muslims weren't ordered to fight everybody. Instead they were ordered to fix the earth:
Quote:Sura 7, The Quran:
( 55 ) Call upon your Lord in humility and privately; indeed, He does not like transgressors.
( 56 ) And cause not corruption upon the earth after its reformation. And invoke Him in fear and aspiration. Indeed, the mercy of Allah is near to the doers of good.
Choosing the verses of self-defense, and strip them off their context, is the same ignorant way Sunnies and Shiites invoke to justify their religions.
It's the same cherry-picking.
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